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January 21st 09, 08:47 PM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program --
both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message ... Make sure your antivirus is not configured to scan email. See http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) 
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January 21st 09, 09:29 PM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
If anything, WLM is less likely to have problems with e-mail scanning
than OE. Its message store is much more robust than OE's. And many people do use e-mail scanning without any problems. But the issue boils down to 2 things. #1) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does NOT provide any more security than the normal background anti-virus scanning that occurs as files are opened. #2) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does SOMETIMES cause problems. It may cause the Send/Receive to fail or it may lead to corruption of the message store. Taking 1 and 2 together leads to the conclusion that e-mail scanning doesn't make any sense ON THE CLIENT during send/receive. It does make a lot of sense ON THE MAIL SERVER where it works well. -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program -- both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message ... Make sure your antivirus is not configured to scan email. See http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
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January 21st 09, 09:44 PM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
Thank you kindly...
That's a succinct, intelligent answer. Is anti-virus scanning of e-mail in fact done on ALL the MSN servers -- so that doing it on the client is redundant? -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Michael Santovec" wrote in message ... If anything, WLM is less likely to have problems with e-mail scanning than OE. Its message store is much more robust than OE's. And many people do use e-mail scanning without any problems. But the issue boils down to 2 things. #1) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does NOT provide any more security than the normal background anti-virus scanning that occurs as files are opened. #2) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does SOMETIMES cause problems. It may cause the Send/Receive to fail or it may lead to corruption of the message store. Taking 1 and 2 together leads to the conclusion that e-mail scanning doesn't make any sense ON THE CLIENT during send/receive. It does make a lot of sense ON THE MAIL SERVER where it works well. -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program -- both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message ... Make sure your antivirus is not configured to scan email. See http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
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January 21st 09, 09:48 PM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
This involves Outlook how?
-- Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/ Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/ Outlook Tips by email: Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter: Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com You can access this newsgroup by visiting http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...s/default.mspx or point your newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program -- both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message ... Make sure your antivirus is not configured to scan email. See http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
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January 21st 09, 09:53 PM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
The same messages -- both emails and newsgroup messages -- are scanned in
Outlook as in OE, WM and WLM. -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Diane Poremsky [MVP]" wrote in message ... This involves Outlook how?
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January 21st 09, 09:54 PM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
That's a question I wouldn't want to answer on their behalf.
I also think another issue in the email scanning question/problem/discussion is a direct result of so many users polling for mail far too frequently to allow AV to adequately perform its task. Since the real time scanner would catch whatever it's updated for, why scan email and risk send/receive problems? In addition, actively scanning incoming and outgoing email forces AV to act as a proxy between the mail server and Outlook which adds another step into the process. The more complicated you make something the more errors you are likely to incur. -- Kathleen Orland - MVP Outlook Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ http://www.howto-outlook.com/ "D. Spencer Hines" wrote: Thank you kindly... That's a succinct, intelligent answer. Is anti-virus scanning of e-mail in fact done on ALL the MSN servers -- so that doing it on the client is redundant? -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Michael Santovec" wrote in message ... If anything, WLM is less likely to have problems with e-mail scanning than OE. Its message store is much more robust than OE's. And many people do use e-mail scanning without any problems. But the issue boils down to 2 things. #1) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does NOT provide any more security than the normal background anti-virus scanning that occurs as files are opened. #2) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does SOMETIMES cause problems. It may cause the Send/Receive to fail or it may lead to corruption of the message store. Taking 1 and 2 together leads to the conclusion that e-mail scanning doesn't make any sense ON THE CLIENT during send/receive. It does make a lot of sense ON THE MAIL SERVER where it works well. -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program -- both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message ... Make sure your antivirus is not configured to scan email. See http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
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January 21st 09, 10:39 PM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program -- both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? Those who provided it with a message store that falls over and corrupts at the drop of a hat? I would like to see OE with the WLM message store. Once that's proven the other bells, whistles, titivation etc. may be developed and added. Oh unfortunately it'll need the spell check too because they broke it with Occife 2007 -- Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could remember the darn question
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January 21st 09, 10:42 PM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
Yes...
Good Points All. But if MSN [or some other ISP] is NOT doing the scanning at the server -- because of some screw up by a careless technician on a weekend or holiday -- then I want to be doing it at the client. And I never know when that technician is going to screw up... So, better to scan all the time. -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "K. Orland" wrote in message news 
That's a question I wouldn't want to answer on their behalf. I also think another issue in the email scanning question/problem/discussion is a direct result of so many users polling for mail far too frequently to allow AV to adequately perform its task. Since the real time scanner would catch whatever it's updated for, why scan email and risk send/receive problems? In addition, actively scanning incoming and outgoing email forces AV to act as a proxy between the mail server and Outlook which adds another step into the process. The more complicated you make something the more errors you are likely to incur. -- Kathleen Orland - MVP Outlook Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ http://www.howto-outlook.com/ "D. Spencer Hines" wrote: Thank you kindly... That's a succinct, intelligent answer. Is anti-virus scanning of e-mail in fact done on ALL the MSN servers -- so that doing it on the client is redundant? -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Michael Santovec" wrote in message ... If anything, WLM is less likely to have problems with e-mail scanning than OE. Its message store is much more robust than OE's. And many people do use e-mail scanning without any problems. But the issue boils down to 2 things. #1) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does NOT provide any more security than the normal background anti-virus scanning that occurs as files are opened. #2) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does SOMETIMES cause problems. It may cause the Send/Receive to fail or it may lead to corruption of the message store. Taking 1 and 2 together leads to the conclusion that e-mail scanning doesn't make any sense ON THE CLIENT during send/receive. It does make a lot of sense ON THE MAIL SERVER where it works well. -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program -- both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message ... Make sure your antivirus is not configured to scan email. See http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
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January 22nd 09, 12:08 AM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
Vide infra pro interscriptibus.
-- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "GbH" wrote in message ... "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program -- both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? Those who provided it with a message store that falls over and corrupts at the drop of a hat? Nope... I've never had any problems with the OE Message Store. But then I delete and compact frequently and always have. Many folks don't have the Good Sense to do that. I would like to see OE with the WLM message store. YES... EXCELLENT IDEA. Once that's proven the other bells, whistles, titivation etc. may be developed and added. RIGHT! Oh unfortunately it'll need the spell check too because they broke it with Occife 2007 YES... OF COURSE. -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor
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January 22nd 09, 01:31 AM
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Scanning Email With An Anti-Virus Program
The redundancy is in the fact that the client's scanner that scans
the incoming e-mail is the same engine that would scan at the filesystem level anyway. The only time such a feature would be of use is against an exploit attacking a vulnerability in the e-mail client itself (or any e-mail vector attack that doesn't use a 'file'). "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Thank you kindly... That's a succinct, intelligent answer. Is anti-virus scanning of e-mail in fact done on ALL the MSN servers -- so that doing it on the client is redundant? -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Michael Santovec" wrote in message ... If anything, WLM is less likely to have problems with e-mail scanning than OE. Its message store is much more robust than OE's. And many people do use e-mail scanning without any problems. But the issue boils down to 2 things. #1) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does NOT provide any more security than the normal background anti-virus scanning that occurs as files are opened. #2) Anti-virus scanning of e-mail ON THE CLIENT during send/receive does SOMETIMES cause problems. It may cause the Send/Receive to fail or it may lead to corruption of the message store. Taking 1 and 2 together leads to the conclusion that e-mail scanning doesn't make any sense ON THE CLIENT during send/receive. It does make a lot of sense ON THE MAIL SERVER where it works well. -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... People keep saying we must stop scanning email with an anti-virus program -- both incoming and outgoing. I have been scanning my email with an anti-virus program for years -- currently Norton Internet Security. No Problems At All With Outlook Express -- nor with Outlook. And the programs doesn't run slower either. NOW... Why can't the folks who design and develop Windows Live Mail be smart enough to design a program for us that has the same robust, flexible nature as OE? Why have they designed a program that is so ruddy weak and fragile it can't interact with a program that scans incoming and outgoing emails? Because they are dumber and less technically competent than the Good Folks who designed Outlook Express? -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message ... Make sure your antivirus is not configured to scan email. See http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
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