Alec S. wrote:
Hi,

I'm really getting sick of all the Spam. It's getting out of control and is evolving beyond OE's filtering abilities. I am looking
for one or more programs that I can use to help reduce or eliminate it.

First of all, I have no intention of using anything other than OE. I have invested far too much time and effort to build a proper
infrastructure on it. I've got it configured and working and have created an effective backup and restore system for it. Plus,
it's ease of use is desirable and it's storage method is the way I want. All I need is a tool to enhance OE's rules.

I like the rule system that OE uses to filter Spam and sort messages, but it's a little too limited:
1) it only checks decoded messages, not raw message data (ie, it won't see anything in improperly formatted messages, HTML
messages, etc.)
2) the rules do not support regular expressions

These two are really! important for proper Spam filtering and OE falls short on both counts.

Since Microsoft doesn't intend to update OE (and is in fact dropping it altogether), I'm looking for a tool to enhance OE's rules;
an add-on/plugin preferably, something as unobtrusive as possible. It shouldn't insinuate itself too deeply into OE. I can't use
something that creates or modifies folders, registry entries etc. I don't mind if it does a few little things like redirect server
info as long as the changes are as small and few as possible.


I've seen a few decent offerings which may or may not fit including plugins, proxy servers, and cleaners. K9, PopFile, SpamBully,
and MailWasher all seem good, but none of them are quite what I'm looking for (again, I'm looking merely to enhance OE's rules to
support regex and read messages' entire raw contents.)


Does anyone know of anything that matches well with what I need? What is the closest thing? What about a combination of these
types, will that work or cause conflicts? Does anyone have first-hand experience with a working Spam solution for OE?


Thank you very much.


Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Alias

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Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Yes and I don't like it's storage method. I've checked various clients and OE is the only one that stores messages the way I like.


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Alec S. wrote:
"Alias~-" wrote in message ...
Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Yes and I don't like it's storage method. I've checked various clients and OE is the only one that stores messages the way I like.



What do you mean by "storage method"?

Alias

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Alec S. wrote:
"Alias~-" wrote in message ...
Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Yes and I don't like it's storage method. I've checked various clients and OE is the only one that stores messages the way I
like.



What do you mean by "storage method"?

The way it stores files on the disk. Some use a single massive file (eg, Outlook uses one large PST), some use tiny, individual
files (eg, Thunderbird), and so on. Outlook Express uses plain text (mostly) files per folder (one DBX file per OE folder). This
makes it easy to manage the files outside of OE (for example for backup/restore purposes). Also, they are easy to move, compress,
etc.

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Alec S. wrote:
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Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Yes and I don't like it's storage method. I've checked various clients
and OE is the only one that stores messages the way I
like.



What do you mean by "storage method"?

The way it stores files on the disk. Some use a single massive file (eg,
Outlook uses one large PST), some use tiny, individual
files (eg, Thunderbird), and so on. Outlook Express uses plain text
(mostly) files per folder (one DBX file per OE folder). This
makes it easy to manage the files outside of OE (for example for
backup/restore purposes). Also, they are easy to move, compress,
etc.

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The DBX file structure is actually pretty bad. It's very prone to
corruption resulting in message loss and requiring tools like DBXtract or
DBXpress to retrieve messages. The OE replacement in Vista goes back to
storing each message as an individual file.

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"Alias~-" wrote in message
Alec S. wrote:
"Alias~-" wrote in message
Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Yes and I don't like it's storage method. I've checked various clients
and OE is the only one that stores messages the way I like.

What do you mean by "storage method"?

The way it stores files on the disk. Some use a single massive file (eg,
Outlook uses one large PST), some use tiny, individual
files (eg, Thunderbird), and so on. Outlook Express uses plain text
(mostly) files per folder (one DBX file per OE folder). This
makes it easy to manage the files outside of OE (for example for
backup/restore purposes). Also, they are easy to move, compress, etc.

The DBX file structure is actually pretty bad. It's very prone to
corruption resulting in message loss and requiring tools like DBXtract or
DBXpress to retrieve messages.

True, but I've had few problems with it. Storing messages in individual files is usually a bad technique. While it provides better
access to individual messages and minimizes damage, it's highly inefficient. It increases storage waste, it increases access time,
it increases memory usage, and a bevy of other problems. Performance and resource wise, the single file method (eg PST) is best
(think database, WAD, etc.), but it makes corruption, etc. quite damaging. The DBX per-folder method is a good compromise, meeting
them both halfway.


The OE replacement in Vista goes back to storing each message as an individual file.


Which is one reason I don't intend to upgrade. I don't like Live at all.



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Alec S. wrote:
"Alias~-" wrote in message
Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Yes and I don't like it's storage method. I've checked various
clients
and OE is the only one that stores messages the way I like.

What do you mean by "storage method"?

The way it stores files on the disk. Some use a single massive file
(eg,
Outlook uses one large PST), some use tiny, individual
files (eg, Thunderbird), and so on. Outlook Express uses plain text
(mostly) files per folder (one DBX file per OE folder). This
makes it easy to manage the files outside of OE (for example for
backup/restore purposes). Also, they are easy to move, compress, etc.

The DBX file structure is actually pretty bad. It's very prone to
corruption resulting in message loss and requiring tools like DBXtract or
DBXpress to retrieve messages.

True, but I've had few problems with it. Storing messages in individual
files is usually a bad technique. While it provides better
access to individual messages and minimizes damage, it's highly
inefficient. It increases storage waste, it increases access time,
it increases memory usage, and a bevy of other problems. Performance and
resource wise, the single file method (eg PST) is best
(think database, WAD, etc.), but it makes corruption, etc. quite damaging.
The DBX per-folder method is a good compromise, meeting
them both halfway.


You obviously never lost your messages. The issue is that of database
bloat. Users let their mailboxes fill up and get bigger and bigger. That
results in file corruption. File corruption results in loss of all the
messages in the file. Its a disaster for those who experience such.

Suppose you had a database of images. Some images are small and some are
huge. Suppose you have thousands of images. Do you put all those images
into the database file? No. You put links to the images in the database
and then you store the images separately. Otherwise the database file gets
unmanageable.

It is better to give up a little bit of performance over losing data.


The OE replacement in Vista goes back to storing each message as an
individual file.


Which is one reason I don't intend to upgrade. I don't like Live at all.


He referred to Windows Mail in Vista. Nothing "Live" about it. It is OE
renamed and retooled to some extent, and the messages are stored separately
from the database as individual eml files.

steve

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