"Steve Cochran" schreef in bericht
...
Watch this space: www.oehelp.com/OEX/

I'm working on adding spam filters to it that will include filtering on
header information that OE does not currently provide.

steve

"Alec S." @ wrote in message
...
Hi,

I'm really getting sick of all the Spam. It's getting out of control and
is evolving beyond OE's filtering abilities. I am looking
for one or more programs that I can use to help reduce or eliminate it.

First of all, I have no intention of using anything other than OE. I
have invested far too much time and effort to build a proper
infrastructure on it. I've got it configured and working and have
created an effective backup and restore system for it. Plus,
it's ease of use is desirable and it's storage method is the way I want.
All I need is a tool to enhance OE's rules.

I like the rule system that OE uses to filter Spam and sort messages, but
it's a little too limited:
1) it only checks decoded messages, not raw message data (ie, it won't
see anything in improperly formatted messages, HTML
messages, etc.)
2) the rules do not support regular expressions

These two are really! important for proper Spam filtering and OE falls
short on both counts.

Since Microsoft doesn't intend to update OE (and is in fact dropping it
altogether), I'm looking for a tool to enhance OE's rules;
an add-on/plugin preferably, something as unobtrusive as possible. It
shouldn't insinuate itself too deeply into OE. I can't use
something that creates or modifies folders, registry entries etc. I
don't mind if it does a few little things like redirect server
info as long as the changes are as small and few as possible.


I've seen a few decent offerings which may or may not fit including
plugins, proxy servers, and cleaners. K9, PopFile, SpamBully,
and MailWasher all seem good, but none of them are quite what I'm looking
for (again, I'm looking merely to enhance OE's rules to
support regex and read messages' entire raw contents.)


Does anyone know of anything that matches well with what I need? What is
the closest thing? What about a combination of these
types, will that work or cause conflicts? Does anyone have first-hand
experience with a working Spam solution for OE?


Thank you very much.

--
Alec S.
news/alec-synetech/cjb/net

"Steve Cochran" schreef in bericht
...

"Alec S." @ wrote in message
...
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote
"Alec S." @ wrote in message
"Alias~-" wrote in message
Alec S. wrote:
"Alias~-" wrote in message
Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Yes and I don't like it's storage method. I've checked various
clients
and OE is the only one that stores messages the way I like.

What do you mean by "storage method"?

The way it stores files on the disk. Some use a single massive file
(eg,
Outlook uses one large PST), some use tiny, individual
files (eg, Thunderbird), and so on. Outlook Express uses plain text
(mostly) files per folder (one DBX file per OE folder). This
makes it easy to manage the files outside of OE (for example for
backup/restore purposes). Also, they are easy to move, compress, etc.

The DBX file structure is actually pretty bad. It's very prone to
corruption resulting in message loss and requiring tools like DBXtract
or
DBXpress to retrieve messages.

True, but I've had few problems with it. Storing messages in individual
files is usually a bad technique. While it provides better
access to individual messages and minimizes damage, it's highly
inefficient. It increases storage waste, it increases access time,
it increases memory usage, and a bevy of other problems. Performance and
resource wise, the single file method (eg PST) is best
(think database, WAD, etc.), but it makes corruption, etc. quite
damaging. The DBX per-folder method is a good compromise, meeting
them both halfway.


You obviously never lost your messages. The issue is that of database
bloat. Users let their mailboxes fill up and get bigger and bigger. That
results in file corruption. File corruption results in loss of all the
messages in the file. Its a disaster for those who experience such.

Suppose you had a database of images. Some images are small and some are
huge. Suppose you have thousands of images. Do you put all those images
into the database file? No. You put links to the images in the database
and then you store the images separately. Otherwise the database file
gets unmanageable.

It is better to give up a little bit of performance over losing data.


The OE replacement in Vista goes back to storing each message as an
individual file.


Which is one reason I don't intend to upgrade. I don't like Live at all.


He referred to Windows Mail in Vista. Nothing "Live" about it. It is OE
renamed and retooled to some extent, and the messages are stored
separately from the database as individual eml files.

steve

/


--
Alec S.
news/alec-synetech/cjb/net

"wierd" schreef in bericht
...

"Steve Cochran" schreef in bericht
...
Watch this space: www.oehelp.com/OEX/

I'm working on adding spam filters to it that will include filtering on
header information that OE does not currently provide.

steve

"Alec S." @ wrote in message
...
Hi,

I'm really getting sick of all the Spam. It's getting out of control
and is evolving beyond OE's filtering abilities. I am looking
for one or more programs that I can use to help reduce or eliminate it.

First of all, I have no intention of using anything other than OE. I
have invested far too much time and effort to build a proper
infrastructure on it. I've got it configured and working and have
created an effective backup and restore system for it. Plus,
it's ease of use is desirable and it's storage method is the way I want.
All I need is a tool to enhance OE's rules.

I like the rule system that OE uses to filter Spam and sort messages,
but it's a little too limited:
1) it only checks decoded messages, not raw message data (ie, it
won't see anything in improperly formatted messages, HTML
messages, etc.)
2) the rules do not support regular expressions

These two are really! important for proper Spam filtering and OE falls
short on both counts.

Since Microsoft doesn't intend to update OE (and is in fact dropping it
altogether), I'm looking for a tool to enhance OE's rules;
an add-on/plugin preferably, something as unobtrusive as possible. It
shouldn't insinuate itself too deeply into OE. I can't use
something that creates or modifies folders, registry entries etc. I
don't mind if it does a few little things like redirect server
info as long as the changes are as small and few as possible.


I've seen a few decent offerings which may or may not fit including
plugins, proxy servers, and cleaners. K9, PopFile, SpamBully,
and MailWasher all seem good, but none of them are quite what I'm
looking for (again, I'm looking merely to enhance OE's rules to
support regex and read messages' entire raw contents.)


Does anyone know of anything that matches well with what I need? What
is the closest thing? What about a combination of these
types, will that work or cause conflicts? Does anyone have first-hand
experience with a working Spam solution for OE?


Thank you very much.

--
Alec S.
news/alec-synetech/cjb/net

"wierd" schreef in bericht
...

"Steve Cochran" schreef in bericht
...

"Alec S." @ wrote in message
...
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote
"Alec S." @ wrote in message
"Alias~-" wrote in message
Alec S. wrote:
"Alias~-" wrote in message
Have you tried Mozilla Thunderbird?

Yes and I don't like it's storage method. I've checked various
clients
and OE is the only one that stores messages the way I like.

What do you mean by "storage method"?

The way it stores files on the disk. Some use a single massive file
(eg,
Outlook uses one large PST), some use tiny, individual
files (eg, Thunderbird), and so on. Outlook Express uses plain text
(mostly) files per folder (one DBX file per OE folder). This
makes it easy to manage the files outside of OE (for example for
backup/restore purposes). Also, they are easy to move, compress,
etc.

The DBX file structure is actually pretty bad. It's very prone to
corruption resulting in message loss and requiring tools like DBXtract
or
DBXpress to retrieve messages.

True, but I've had few problems with it. Storing messages in individual
files is usually a bad technique. While it provides better
access to individual messages and minimizes damage, it's highly
inefficient. It increases storage waste, it increases access time,
it increases memory usage, and a bevy of other problems. Performance
and resource wise, the single file method (eg PST) is best
(think database, WAD, etc.), but it makes corruption, etc. quite
damaging. The DBX per-folder method is a good compromise, meeting
them both halfway.


You obviously never lost your messages. The issue is that of database
bloat. Users let their mailboxes fill up and get bigger and bigger.
That results in file corruption. File corruption results in loss of all
the messages in the file. Its a disaster for those who experience such.

Suppose you had a database of images. Some images are small and some are
huge. Suppose you have thousands of images. Do you put all those images
into the database file? No. You put links to the images in the database
and then you store the images separately. Otherwise the database file
gets unmanageable.

It is better to give up a little bit of performance over losing data.


The OE replacement in Vista goes back to storing each message as an
individual file.


Which is one reason I don't intend to upgrade. I don't like Live at
all.


He referred to Windows Mail in Vista. Nothing "Live" about it. It is OE
renamed and retooled to some extent, and the messages are stored
separately from the database as individual eml files.

steve

/


--
Alec S.
news/alec-synetech/cjb/net

Steve Cochran wrote (in
):

Watch this space: www.oehelp.com/OEX/

I'm working on adding spam filters to it that will include filtering on
header information that OE does not currently provide.

Interesting. But, it's a standalone application right? Why did Microsoft
choose to disallow plugins for OE? Grrr! :| It's almost as though they
consider OE to be just a perfunctory program, for the sake of having that aspect
covered as well; that they really have no interest in it—in which case it really
bodes badly for them in the anti-trust arena!


--
Alec S.
news/alec-synetech/cjb/net

whats that
"Capomaestro" wrote in message
...
You got questions? We got MVPs.

"Run away! Run away!" -Monty Python and the Holy Grail (The rabbit of
Caerbannog)

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
What I did:

I never got spam until my son used my computer to go to places like
Lending
Tree, Cheaper Prices.com, etc., and entered my address on the sites.
Wham!
Here came the spam.

I set up another account, (address), with my ISP, (They allow up to seven
at
no extra charge). With the new account, my address is only given to my
contacts, and trusted places, such as my utilities for billing, banking
etc.
You get the idea.

I kept the original account as a *Throwaway* account. I use it for
ordering
online, and other things where sites require a valid address, but cannot
be
trusted to not share it with others.

My old account has two rules.

1: My address must be in the To field, (an order confirmation would not
put
it any place else).

2: If the To field contains any letters, or numbers not in my address, it
is
deleted from the server.

The results are such:

After more that two years, I have not received one spam message on the
new
account and the only rules I have are to divert some messages to specific
folders.

The old account receives only about a dozen spam messages a week as multi
addressed messages, and blank To field messages are deleted from the
server,
but I don't really care about that account anyway.

Finally, it took less than three hours to:

Set up the new account. Notify all my Contacts, and change the profile at
the trusted sites I deal with. Not a lot of time when you consider what
you
are going through now.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~


"Alec S." @ wrote in message
...
Hi,

I'm really getting sick of all the Spam. It's getting out of control
and
is evolving beyond OE's filtering abilities. I am looking
for one or more programs that I can use to help reduce or eliminate it.

First of all, I have no intention of using anything other than OE. I
have
invested far too much time and effort to build a proper
infrastructure on it. I've got it configured and working and have
created
an effective backup and restore system for it. Plus,
it's ease of use is desirable and it's storage method is the way I
want.
All I need is a tool to enhance OE's rules.

I like the rule system that OE uses to filter Spam and sort messages,
but
it's a little too limited:
1) it only checks decoded messages, not raw message data (ie, it
won't
see anything in improperly formatted messages, HTML
messages, etc.)
2) the rules do not support regular expressions

These two are really! important for proper Spam filtering and OE falls
short on both counts.

Since Microsoft doesn't intend to update OE (and is in fact dropping it
altogether), I'm looking for a tool to enhance OE's rules;
an add-on/plugin preferably, something as unobtrusive as possible. It
shouldn't insinuate itself too deeply into OE. I can't use
something that creates or modifies folders, registry entries etc. I
don't
mind if it does a few little things like redirect server
info as long as the changes are as small and few as possible.


I've seen a few decent offerings which may or may not fit including
plugins, proxy servers, and cleaners. K9, PopFile, SpamBully,
and MailWasher all seem good, but none of them are quite what I'm
looking
for (again, I'm looking merely to enhance OE's rules to
support regex and read messages' entire raw contents.)


Does anyone know of anything that matches well with what I need? What
is
the closest thing? What about a combination of these
types, will that work or cause conflicts? Does anyone have first-hand
experience with a working Spam solution for OE?


Thank you very much.

--
Alec S.
news/alec-synetech/cjb/net