If Tools Options Send tab "Reply to messages in format they were sent"
checked or unchecked have any effect.


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
| "Michael Santovec" wrote:
| If you've set your OE to Real All Messages in Plain text,
| yet when you read a message you don't see it in the
| Proportional Font specified under Read Fonts
|
| As I have said repeatedly, my problem is with Reply Group, not reading and
| not composing a new message.
|
| I now suspect that the problem has to do with the charset of the original
| message.
|
| I expected that to be trumped by setting "Read all messages in plain text"
| and by setting Courier New for both Proportional and Fixed-width fonts
under
| Read Fonts.
|
| But I have no problem when I reply to your message, which does not specify
| charset. And I have no problem when I form a reply to some of my posted
| messages. Some have no charset specification; some have
| charset="Windows-1252"; some have charset="iso-8859-1".
|
| The messages that I do have a problem replying to -- that is, the font is
| non-proportional in the Reply Group composition window -- have
| charset="Utf-8".
|
| That seems to be a sufficient condition. But I cannot say with impunity
| that that is a necessary condition; that is, if only charset="Utf-8"
| presents a problem. I only did a quick spot-check.
|
| All of the message that I refer to here have either no content-type
| specification or content-type "text/plain".
|
|
| First try creating a new identity in OE and see if the
| problem occurs there.
|
| How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
|
| Thanks for the suggestion and pointer. I'll give it whirl.
|
|
| ----- original message -----
|
| "Michael Santovec" wrote in message
| ...
| Although I use Windows Live Mail as my primary mail and news program, I
| tested your scenario with my Outlook Express (XP SP3),
|
| If you've set your OE to Real All Messages in Plain text, yet when you
| read a message you don't see it in the Proportional Font specified under
| Read Fonts, then you may have some corruption in OE.
|
| First try creating a new identity in OE and see if the problem occurs
| there.
|
| How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
|
|
| --
|
| Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
|
|
|
| "WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
| ...
| "Michael Santovec" wrote:
| If not, make sure that you've set Tools, Options, Read,
| Read All Message in plain text.
|
| Thanks for that.
|
|
| Are you seeing the original message that you are replying
| to in Courier New?
|
| No, not even after I implemented your suggestion above in addition to
all
| the other settings that I documented in my original posting. I exited
| and restarted OE.
|
|
| And what you are trying to do works in my Outlook Express.
|
| You and I are not using the same software or revision for posting. What
| are you using?
|
| When you post, the relevant headers a
|
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206
|
| When I post, those headers a
|
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
|
|
| ----- original message -----
|
| "Michael Santovec" wrote in message
| ...
| Since you are using Plain Text for newsgroups, which is the generally
| preferred format, ANY font that you use will only be seen by you while
| composing. It will not be sent with the message and any viewers will
| see whatever font their system is set to use.
|
| Are you seeing the original message that you are replying to in
Courier
| New?
|
| If not, make sure that you've set Tools, Options, Read, Read All
Message
| in plain text.
|
| As for what you trying to do, the critical part is setting the
| Proportional Font. The compose settings only apply to HTML format
| message.
|
| And what you are trying to do works in my Outlook Express.
|
| --
|
| Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
|
|
|
| "WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
| ...
| When I do Reply Group, OE seems to ignore my font selection.
|
| How can I coerce OE to use my font selection?
| My intent is to always use a non-proportional font, specifically
| Courier New.
|
| That works fine when I compose a new message.
|
| But when I do Reply Group, I get a proportional font, presumably
Arial.
|
| This is true whether or not I select the Send option "Include message
| in reply".
|
| I have the following settings:
|
|
| 1. Read Fonts Fonts:
|
| Western European
| Proportion font: Courier New
| Fixed-width font: Courier New
| Font size: Medium
| Encoding: Western European (Windows)
| Default encoding: Western European
| Pressed Set as Default
|
| 2. Send:
|
| Uncheck "Reply to messags using the format in which they were
| sent"
|
| 3. Send Mail Sending Format
| Send News Sendind Format:
|
| Select Plain Text
| Setting:
| MIME with Encode: None
| (Also tried Uuencode)
|
| 4. Compose:
|
| Mail: 10pt Courier New
| News: 10pt Courier New
|
| I am using MS Win XP Pro 2002 SP3 with OE6 revision 6.00.2900.5512
| (xpsp 080413-2105) with all patches through the end of March.
|
|
|
|
|

"Ken" wrote:
If Tools Options Send tab "Reply to messages
in format they were sent" checked or unchecked
have any effect.

It was unchecked, as I indicated in my initial posting. I think that is
what I want.

However, just to cover all bases, I tried checking it, to no avail. (None
expected.)

BTW, when I do Reply Group for a message with charset="Utf-8", the title bar
of the composition window explicitly indicates "Unicode (UTF-8)" after the
subject. No such charset indication appears in the composition window when
I do Reply Group for the other messages for which I have no problem, for
example your message, which was sent which charset="iso-8859-1".

In fact, when I look at my posted reply to a message with charset="Utf=8",
my message also has charset="Utf-8". Yet when I look at a posted message
that I composed new, it has charset="iso-5589-1". (Since I started this
thread, I changed my Read Fonts encoding from Western European (Windows) to
Western European (ISO).)

I think that demonstrates that OE is handling replies to UTF-8 messages
differently. It gives credance to my theory, now, that the behavior of
Reply Group under all the conditions I mentioned is either unusual or a
defect.

Thanks for all the constructive inputs. I think we've beat this horse to
death.


----- original message -----

"Ken" wrote in message
...
If Tools Options Send tab "Reply to messages in format they were sent"
checked or unchecked have any effect.


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
| "Michael Santovec" wrote:
| If you've set your OE to Real All Messages in Plain text,
| yet when you read a message you don't see it in the
| Proportional Font specified under Read Fonts
|
| As I have said repeatedly, my problem is with Reply Group, not reading
and
| not composing a new message.
|
| I now suspect that the problem has to do with the charset of the
original
| message.
|
| I expected that to be trumped by setting "Read all messages in plain
text"
| and by setting Courier New for both Proportional and Fixed-width fonts
under
| Read Fonts.
|
| But I have no problem when I reply to your message, which does not
specify
| charset. And I have no problem when I form a reply to some of my posted
| messages. Some have no charset specification; some have
| charset="Windows-1252"; some have charset="iso-8859-1".
|
| The messages that I do have a problem replying to -- that is, the font
is
| non-proportional in the Reply Group composition window -- have
| charset="Utf-8".
|
| That seems to be a sufficient condition. But I cannot say with impunity
| that that is a necessary condition; that is, if only charset="Utf-8"
| presents a problem. I only did a quick spot-check.
|
| All of the message that I refer to here have either no content-type
| specification or content-type "text/plain".
|
|
| First try creating a new identity in OE and see if the
| problem occurs there.
|
| How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
|
| Thanks for the suggestion and pointer. I'll give it whirl.
|
|
| ----- original message -----
|
| "Michael Santovec" wrote in message
| ...
| Although I use Windows Live Mail as my primary mail and news program,
I
| tested your scenario with my Outlook Express (XP SP3),
|
| If you've set your OE to Real All Messages in Plain text, yet when you
| read a message you don't see it in the Proportional Font specified
under
| Read Fonts, then you may have some corruption in OE.
|
| First try creating a new identity in OE and see if the problem occurs
| there.
|
| How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
|
|
| --
|
| Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
|
|
|
| "WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
| ...
| "Michael Santovec" wrote:
| If not, make sure that you've set Tools, Options, Read,
| Read All Message in plain text.
|
| Thanks for that.
|
|
| Are you seeing the original message that you are replying
| to in Courier New?
|
| No, not even after I implemented your suggestion above in addition to
all
| the other settings that I documented in my original posting. I
exited
| and restarted OE.
|
|
| And what you are trying to do works in my Outlook Express.
|
| You and I are not using the same software or revision for posting.
What
| are you using?
|
| When you post, the relevant headers a
|
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206
|
| When I post, those headers a
|
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
|
|
| ----- original message -----
|
| "Michael Santovec" wrote in message
| ...
| Since you are using Plain Text for newsgroups, which is the
generally
| preferred format, ANY font that you use will only be seen by you
while
| composing. It will not be sent with the message and any viewers
will
| see whatever font their system is set to use.
|
| Are you seeing the original message that you are replying to in
Courier
| New?
|
| If not, make sure that you've set Tools, Options, Read, Read All
Message
| in plain text.
|
| As for what you trying to do, the critical part is setting the
| Proportional Font. The compose settings only apply to HTML format
| message.
|
| And what you are trying to do works in my Outlook Express.
|
| --
|
| Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
|
|
|
| "WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
| ...
| When I do Reply Group, OE seems to ignore my font selection.
|
| How can I coerce OE to use my font selection?
| My intent is to always use a non-proportional font, specifically
| Courier New.
|
| That works fine when I compose a new message.
|
| But when I do Reply Group, I get a proportional font, presumably
Arial.
|
| This is true whether or not I select the Send option "Include
message
| in reply".
|
| I have the following settings:
|
|
| 1. Read Fonts Fonts:
|
| Western European
| Proportion font: Courier New
| Fixed-width font: Courier New
| Font size: Medium
| Encoding: Western European (Windows)
| Default encoding: Western European
| Pressed Set as Default
|
| 2. Send:
|
| Uncheck "Reply to messags using the format in which they were
| sent"
|
| 3. Send Mail Sending Format
| Send News Sendind Format:
|
| Select Plain Text
| Setting:
| MIME with Encode: None
| (Also tried Uuencode)
|
| 4. Compose:
|
| Mail: 10pt Courier New
| News: 10pt Courier New
|
| I am using MS Win XP Pro 2002 SP3 with OE6 revision 6.00.2900.5512
| (xpsp 080413-2105) with all patches through the end of March.
|
|
|
|
|

"Ken" wrote:
If Tools Options Send tab "Reply to messages
in format they were sent" checked or unchecked
have any effect.

It was unchecked, as I indicated in my initial posting. I think that is
what I want.

However, just to cover all bases, I tried checking it, to no avail. (None
expected.)

BTW, when I do Reply Group for a message with charset="Utf-8", the title bar
of the composition window explicitly indicates "Unicode (UTF-8)" after the
subject. No such charset indication appears in the composition window when
I do Reply Group for the other messages for which I have no problem, for
example your message, which was sent which charset="iso-8859-1".

In fact, when I look at my posted reply to a message with charset="Utf=8",
my message also has charset="Utf-8". Yet when I look at a posted message
that I composed new, it has charset="iso-5589-1". (Since I started this
thread, I changed my Read Fonts encoding from Western European (Windows) to
Western European (ISO).)

I think that demonstrates that OE is handling replies to UTF-8 messages
differently. It gives credance to my theory, now, that the behavior of
Reply Group under all the conditions I mentioned is either unusual or a
defect.

Thanks for all the constructive inputs. I think we've beat this horse to
death.


----- original message -----

"Ken" wrote in message
...
If Tools Options Send tab "Reply to messages in format they were sent"
checked or unchecked have any effect.


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
| "Michael Santovec" wrote:
| If you've set your OE to Real All Messages in Plain text,
| yet when you read a message you don't see it in the
| Proportional Font specified under Read Fonts
|
| As I have said repeatedly, my problem is with Reply Group, not reading
and
| not composing a new message.
|
| I now suspect that the problem has to do with the charset of the
original
| message.
|
| I expected that to be trumped by setting "Read all messages in plain
text"
| and by setting Courier New for both Proportional and Fixed-width fonts
under
| Read Fonts.
|
| But I have no problem when I reply to your message, which does not
specify
| charset. And I have no problem when I form a reply to some of my posted
| messages. Some have no charset specification; some have
| charset="Windows-1252"; some have charset="iso-8859-1".
|
| The messages that I do have a problem replying to -- that is, the font
is
| non-proportional in the Reply Group composition window -- have
| charset="Utf-8".
|
| That seems to be a sufficient condition. But I cannot say with impunity
| that that is a necessary condition; that is, if only charset="Utf-8"
| presents a problem. I only did a quick spot-check.
|
| All of the message that I refer to here have either no content-type
| specification or content-type "text/plain".
|
|
| First try creating a new identity in OE and see if the
| problem occurs there.
|
| How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
|
| Thanks for the suggestion and pointer. I'll give it whirl.
|
|
| ----- original message -----
|
| "Michael Santovec" wrote in message
| ...
| Although I use Windows Live Mail as my primary mail and news program,
I
| tested your scenario with my Outlook Express (XP SP3),
|
| If you've set your OE to Real All Messages in Plain text, yet when you
| read a message you don't see it in the Proportional Font specified
under
| Read Fonts, then you may have some corruption in OE.
|
| First try creating a new identity in OE and see if the problem occurs
| there.
|
| How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
|
|
| --
|
| Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
|
|
|
| "WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
| ...
| "Michael Santovec" wrote:
| If not, make sure that you've set Tools, Options, Read,
| Read All Message in plain text.
|
| Thanks for that.
|
|
| Are you seeing the original message that you are replying
| to in Courier New?
|
| No, not even after I implemented your suggestion above in addition to
all
| the other settings that I documented in my original posting. I
exited
| and restarted OE.
|
|
| And what you are trying to do works in my Outlook Express.
|
| You and I are not using the same software or revision for posting.
What
| are you using?
|
| When you post, the relevant headers a
|
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206
|
| When I post, those headers a
|
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
|
|
| ----- original message -----
|
| "Michael Santovec" wrote in message
| ...
| Since you are using Plain Text for newsgroups, which is the
generally
| preferred format, ANY font that you use will only be seen by you
while
| composing. It will not be sent with the message and any viewers
will
| see whatever font their system is set to use.
|
| Are you seeing the original message that you are replying to in
Courier
| New?
|
| If not, make sure that you've set Tools, Options, Read, Read All
Message
| in plain text.
|
| As for what you trying to do, the critical part is setting the
| Proportional Font. The compose settings only apply to HTML format
| message.
|
| And what you are trying to do works in my Outlook Express.
|
| --
|
| Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
|
|
|
| "WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
| ...
| When I do Reply Group, OE seems to ignore my font selection.
|
| How can I coerce OE to use my font selection?
| My intent is to always use a non-proportional font, specifically
| Courier New.
|
| That works fine when I compose a new message.
|
| But when I do Reply Group, I get a proportional font, presumably
Arial.
|
| This is true whether or not I select the Send option "Include
message
| in reply".
|
| I have the following settings:
|
|
| 1. Read Fonts Fonts:
|
| Western European
| Proportion font: Courier New
| Fixed-width font: Courier New
| Font size: Medium
| Encoding: Western European (Windows)
| Default encoding: Western European
| Pressed Set as Default
|
| 2. Send:
|
| Uncheck "Reply to messags using the format in which they were
| sent"
|
| 3. Send Mail Sending Format
| Send News Sendind Format:
|
| Select Plain Text
| Setting:
| MIME with Encode: None
| (Also tried Uuencode)
|
| 4. Compose:
|
| Mail: 10pt Courier New
| News: 10pt Courier New
|
| I am using MS Win XP Pro 2002 SP3 with OE6 revision 6.00.2900.5512
| (xpsp 080413-2105) with all patches through the end of March.
|
|
|
|
|