As a long-time user, I was sent the message that I would still be
able to use OE 6 with Hotmail. I even got the email saying that
MS had decided to extend support for Hotmail functionality in OE
6 due to customer preferences.

I thought "Hey! That's cool! I'm golden!"

Then suddenly within the last week (I think about that long) my
OE 6 gives me those error messages I had posted about earlier
whenever I try to access Hotmail in OE 6.

I didn't get any email or other indications that there was any
policy shift, and I can still check my Hotmail online in my
browser.

But I'm starting to worry that MS may have decided to completely
drop OE 6 support, even though I have not seen anything in the
press or my in box about this happening.

Does anybody know exactly what is going on?

I am so totally used to OE 6 and I use it with OE-QuoteFix, which
is about the best Outlook Express utility I've ever tried, and
I'd hate to lose that functionality.

So I guess I just want to know what up. Is it just a glitch
related to their LIVE rollout and once it's fixed, I can get back
to reading my Hotmail accounts offline in OE 6?

Or is it never coming back?

I look forward to any helpful replies.

Thank you very much.

Always reply to your original thread, please:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...19e130aafb582d

The last official word on accessing free Hotmail accounts in OE dates from
May-08:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5745.entry

We expect such access to continue until January 2009, at minimum. Keep in
mind that such free access has always been considered a "beta service" with
no support whatsoever.

I've had no problems accessing my free Hotmail accounts in OE, Paul. That
being said, there are many recent posts in Internet Mail, MSN Discussion,
and Windows Live Mail newsgroups from users who are having problems similar
to yours.

As I said earlier, most of the time the problem is on Hotmail's end, not
yours. Until the problem automagically clears up, access your account at
www.mail.live.com.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

DudeBoyz wrote:
As a long-time user, I was sent the message that I would still be
able to use OE 6 with Hotmail. I even got the email saying that
MS had decided to extend support for Hotmail functionality in OE
6 due to customer preferences.

I thought "Hey! That's cool! I'm golden!"

Then suddenly within the last week (I think about that long) my
OE 6 gives me those error messages I had posted about earlier
whenever I try to access Hotmail in OE 6.

I didn't get any email or other indications that there was any
policy shift, and I can still check my Hotmail online in my
browser.

But I'm starting to worry that MS may have decided to completely
drop OE 6 support, even though I have not seen anything in the
press or my in box about this happening.

Does anybody know exactly what is going on?

I am so totally used to OE 6 and I use it with OE-QuoteFix, which
is about the best Outlook Express utility I've ever tried, and
I'd hate to lose that functionality.

So I guess I just want to know what up. Is it just a glitch
related to their LIVE rollout and once it's fixed, I can get back
to reading my Hotmail accounts offline in OE 6?

Or is it never coming back?

I look forward to any helpful replies.

Thank you very much.

DudeBoyz wrote:

As a long-time user, I was sent the message that I would still be
able to use OE 6 with Hotmail. I even got the email saying that
MS had decided to extend support for Hotmail functionality in OE
6 due to customer preferences.

I thought "Hey! That's cool! I'm golden!"

Then suddenly within the last week (I think about that long) my
OE 6 gives me those error messages I had posted about earlier
whenever I try to access Hotmail in OE 6.

I didn't get any email or other indications that there was any
policy shift, and I can still check my Hotmail online in my
browser.

But I'm starting to worry that MS may have decided to completely
drop OE 6 support, even though I have not seen anything in the
press or my in box about this happening.

Does anybody know exactly what is going on?

I am so totally used to OE 6 and I use it with OE-QuoteFix, which
is about the best Outlook Express utility I've ever tried, and
I'd hate to lose that functionality.

So I guess I just want to know what up. Is it just a glitch
related to their LIVE rollout and once it's fixed, I can get back
to reading my Hotmail accounts offline in OE 6?

Or is it never coming back?

I look forward to any helpful replies.

Thank you very much.

Microsoft makes, on average, one major change to Hotmail every year. If
you don't keep up, you may not be able to access your account. If you
have a Hotmail Plus account, and only if it is a Windows Live Hotmail
Plus account (not an MSN Hotmail Plus account), you get access to their
POP and SMTP mail hosts. Support for Outlook Express died late in 2002.
The last functional update was in Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 (with
only security updates since then). OE is a dead product and has been
for 6 years. Microsoft keeps changing their Hotmail service. It's time
you reconsider which e-mail client you will use with your Hotmail
service, like switching to Windows Live Mail, or consider if a different
e-mail provider might not be a better choice, like one that does NOT use
a Microsoft-proprietary e-mail protocol but instead an RFC-compliant
one, like POP, IMAP, and SMTP.

DAV commands that OE understands will cease to work, if not already for
your account. That was the old HTTP protocol used by OE to communicate
with Microsoft's HTTP mail hosts. Microsoft is not only discontinuing
the old MSN Hotmail accounts and forcing their users to the Windows Live
Hotmail interface but they are also dropping DAV and moving to their new
Deltasync protocol. So even if you fix it now, it will die in just a
month or two, anyway. Start to plan your change now.

I've had no problems accessing my free Hotmail accounts in OE,
Paul. That being said, there are many recent posts in
Internet Mail, MSN Discussion, and Windows Live Mail
newsgroups from users who are having problems similar to yours.

As I said earlier, most of the time the problem is on
Hotmail's end, not yours. Until the problem automagically
clears up, access your account at www.mail.live.com.

I hear ya. Thanks.

BTW, why would you not just use my DudeBoyz nick instead of a
first name? After learning some hard lessons, I would really not
want personal information to be used. I was pretty Naive about
it before, hence my preference to stick to the DudeBoyz nick.

DudeBoyz wrote:
I've had no problems accessing my free Hotmail accounts in OE,
Paul. That being said, there are many recent posts in
Internet Mail, MSN Discussion, and Windows Live Mail
newsgroups from users who are having problems similar to yours.

As I said earlier, most of the time the problem is on
Hotmail's end, not yours. Until the problem automagically
clears up, access your account at www.mail.live.com.

I hear ya. Thanks.

BTW, why would you not just use my DudeBoyz nick instead of a
first name? After learning some hard lessons, I would really not
want personal information to be used. I was pretty Naive about
it before, hence my preference to stick to the DudeBoyz nick.

I shall do so in future. However, you should know that the bulk your
newsgroup posting history is available to all comers via Google Groups
archive [1] and that as recently as September 2007 you were posting under
your full real name (which I did not use), not the Dudeboyz alias [2].

PS: I would strongly recommend that you munge your Hotmail address (change
it to, e.g., ) in OE Tools | Accounts | News | [news
account(s)] | Properties | General | Email address and Reply address.

=====================
[1]
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear....com&scoring=d
[2]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.t...52795fe29a0b00)
--
~PA Bear

Thanks. I was just hopelessly naive and when I apparently
angered someone when I was discussing Digital Cameras no less, I
learned what it was to be targeted.

It was foolish of me to be so ill-informed and I've paid the
price - repeatedly - for liking one brand of camera over another.

I greatly appreciate the help and advice.

I may end up giving up the Hotmail account if I can't check it in
OE 6 any more because in part, I could avoid the hassle I've
heaped on myself.

I've had the account for so long, it just bugs me that I might
have to give in and give it up for either reason. But maybe it's
for the best if MS does cut OE 6 support for Hotmail accounts.

Anyway, if someone is able to find out what is going on with the
Hotmail in OE 6 stuff, I'd like to know just for my own
edification, so I hope they post it somewhere where I can read
it.

Best wishes, and have a good weekend.

I shall do so in future. However, you should know that the
bulk your newsgroup posting history is available to all comers
via Google Groups archive [1] and that as recently as
September 2007 you were posting under your full real name
(which I did not use), not the Dudeboyz alias [2].
PS: I would strongly recommend that you munge your Hotmail
address (change it to, e.g., ) in OE Tools
| Accounts | News | [news account(s)] | Properties | General |
Email address and Reply address.
=====================
[1]
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear....com&scoring=d
[2]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.t...52795fe29a0b00)

Thank you for your well thought out and helpful response. I do
appreciate it.

Now that Gmail is out of Beta, maybe I should try switching over
completely to one of those accounts. I'm not sure how Google can
offer free POP3 and IMAP, but I've been told they do and that you
can use any regular email application to access your account,
which means you don't have to do it via the web if you do not
wish to.

Maybe hanging on to Hotmail is more about nostalgia than anything
else. I've had Hotmail since way, way back - I think before MS
had anything to do with it. And I have always liked that you can
use it in Outlook Express 6, plus I am very fond of the
OE-QuoteFix utility. If I go Gmail, I guess I can still use
OE-QuoteFix with OE 6 and life will be okie.

Again - thanks much.

Microsoft makes, on average, one major change to Hotmail every
year. If you don't keep up, you may not be able to access
your account. If you have a Hotmail Plus account, and only if
it is a Windows Live Hotmail Plus account (not an MSN Hotmail
Plus account), you get access to their POP and SMTP mail
hosts. Support for Outlook Express died late in 2002. The
last functional update was in Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2
(with only security updates since then). OE is a dead product
and has been for 6 years. Microsoft keeps changing their
Hotmail service. It's time you reconsider which e-mail client
you will use with your Hotmail service, like switching to
Windows Live Mail, or consider if a different e-mail provider
might not be a better choice, like one that does NOT use a
Microsoft-proprietary e-mail protocol but instead an
RFC-compliant one, like POP, IMAP, and SMTP.

DAV commands that OE understands will cease to work, if not
already for your account. That was the old HTTP protocol used
by OE to communicate with Microsoft's HTTP mail hosts.
Microsoft is not only discontinuing the old MSN Hotmail
accounts and forcing their users to the Windows Live Hotmail
interface but they are also dropping DAV and moving to their
new Deltasync protocol. So even if you fix it now, it will
die in just a month or two, anyway. Start to plan your change
now.

From:Miss Osh Diaz.
Confinement house.
Manilla,Phillipine.


WITH TRUST AND CONFIDENCE.
Greetings,
I am very sorry to had infringe into your privacy without permission but
please with all humility i solicit your attention to hear me out.I am Miss
Osh Diaz, a filippino by nationality, and a Yong Girl who has suufered so
much for offence i never committed.

Honestly I would love to have a long lasting relationship with you ,if
possible entrusting my life time fortune into your possession,as now I am
broken hearted and needs someone to trust and to really confide on, without
remembering my past and forsaken experiences from my close confidants and
family.

I am really in need of someone, who would take me for whom I am and as a
life time partner, after making claims of my deposited life fortuned in
Abroad.

Well, from your profile, I believe in my heart that you ought to be a very
honest person.I would like to give you a brief description of my life
autobiograph I was once the mistress of our President, Joseph Estrada, and
during his tenure in office, I was often used as a courier in depositing
his(the president) funds, in the Europe,and Africa because of my honesty but
his wife Madam Loi and her son-Jude, accused me of having secret affair with
the president ,this led to fabrication of all kind of allegation against just
to disrepute my honestly earned fame .

But, not quite long, I was arrested, together with his wife and son, in
connection with the 27th July, 2003, failed coup for working in the household
of the ex-president Joseph Estrada .Althought i was later granted bailed as
there was no substantial evidence against me , now I have been released but
under security watch within state confinement with limited opportunity to
reach the outside world to prove my innocence.

All, I want from you is to assist me make claims of some funds, I did
deposited in metallic truck box in security company in Coted Ivoire-a remote
states in Africa. Every other deposit have been consficated and seized by the
the government of Madam Gloria the President of republic of philippine .But,
this one is the only one they could not see, as I did kept the deposit
certicate and deposit agreetment with one of my close confidant.

The Amount being deposited is 11 Million United states dollars,as this was
the money that was supposed to be used by the President to acquire some
properties in Africa. All, I want from you, now is honesty and sincerity, as
soon as this money is claimed by you, I will look for a way out and sneaked
out of Abidjan and travel down to meet you in your country , the shipment
cost and demurrage has being taken care of as at the time of deposit.I would
like us to go investment partnership together,in investing this money in your
country and anywhere else you prefer.

I will send you my Photo, and the deposit certificate and authoritative
agreetment which i am prapared to forward to you with more hint on how to
reach the security company to retrieve and request the shipment of the
metallic box containing fund on my behalf to your country while i join you at
convenient time for joint investment if you desire.In addition to this i
promise to give you an instant reward out of the total sum for your kind and
sincere assistance.

Please reply this email with your full correspondence informations us enable
me proceed fast.
Sincerely,
Miss Osh Diaz.

I wanted to make a follow-up post to this group, and since Comcast
stopped providing Newsgroup services to all of their customers, I
thought I'd try Google Groups. I wanted the solution to be listed
here for people who do a search and have a similar problem.

So, here is the information I discovered about accessing Hotmail
accounts with Outlook Express 6 now that LIVE.COM has "gone live", as
it we

Microsoft made some changes that might require adjustments to be made
in order to properly access your account.

Since Outlook Express 6 is tied to IE 6's security settings and I have
since my Internet Zone locked down for safety instead of being left at
Default (in the Internet Options Security dialog), I had to do the
following in order to get it to work again:

I had to first add *.LIVE.COM to my TRUSTED SITES Zone (in the
Internet Options Security dialog)

I then had to enter the LIVE.COM domain where it says Address Of Web
Site in the Per Site Privacy Actions dialog and click on the Allow
button (or press ALT-A) and confirm that via the OK button.

Once those two specific addtions were made, I was again able to access
my account.

So now, according to the source I found, there are now a total of 4
domains that need to be entered as described above:

*.HOTMAIL.COM
*.LIVE.COM
*.MSN.COM
*.PASSPORT.COM

I already had Hotmail.com, MSN.com and Passport.com entered into my
Trusted Zone and configured as Always Allow in my Privacy settings.

The new requirement for me was adding that 4th domain - Live.com.

I don't remember receiving any emailed instructions from Microsoft
about this change perhaps being necessary, hence my confusion.

However, if they did send instructions out and I failed to notice,
then it's my bad, and I apologize for going nuts about Hotmail access
via OE 6.

Regardless, I wanted to say thank you for those who did attempt to
help. Perhaps this info will help others as well.

Happy Mailing,

DB



On Nov 14, 11:29*pm, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
Always reply to your original thread, please:http://groups.google.com/group/micro...s.inetexplorer....

The last official word on accessing free Hotmail accounts in OE dates from
May-08:http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...08!5745..entry

We expect such access to continue until January 2009, at minimum. *Keep in
mind that such free access has always been considered a "beta service" with
no support whatsoever.

I've had no problems accessing my free Hotmail accounts in OE, Paul. *That
being said, there are many recent posts in Internet Mail, MSN Discussion,
and Windows Live Mail newsgroups from users who are having problems similar
to yours.

As I said earlier, most of the time the problem is on Hotmail's end, not
yours. *Until the problem automagically clears up, access your account atwww.mail.live.com.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Adminhttp://aumha.net
DTS-Lhttp://dts-l.net/

We covered this in your original (the first of three) thread with the
subject "Outlook Express 6 suddenly fails with Hotmail account" (13 Nov-08).
See
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...896b13229f4a95

I do not have any of those domains running in Trusted Sites zone. I have
"Allowed cookies" for hotmail.com and live.com (only, but I probably only
need live.com now). I have not had any problems accessing my free Hotmail
account(s) in OE or IE.

You can access this newsgroup in OE via the free MS newsserver by clicking
on the following link:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


wrote:
I wanted to make a follow-up post to this group, and since Comcast
stopped providing Newsgroup services to all of their customers, I
thought I'd try Google Groups. I wanted the solution to be listed
here for people who do a search and have a similar problem.

So, here is the information I discovered about accessing Hotmail
accounts with Outlook Express 6 now that LIVE.COM has "gone live", as
it we

Microsoft made some changes that might require adjustments to be made
in order to properly access your account.

Since Outlook Express 6 is tied to IE 6's security settings and I have
since my Internet Zone locked down for safety instead of being left at
Default (in the Internet Options Security dialog), I had to do the
following in order to get it to work again:

I had to first add *.LIVE.COM to my TRUSTED SITES Zone (in the
Internet Options Security dialog)

I then had to enter the LIVE.COM domain where it says Address Of Web
Site in the Per Site Privacy Actions dialog and click on the Allow
button (or press ALT-A) and confirm that via the OK button.

Once those two specific addtions were made, I was again able to access
my account.

So now, according to the source I found, there are now a total of 4
domains that need to be entered as described above:

*.HOTMAIL.COM
*.LIVE.COM
*.MSN.COM
*.PASSPORT.COM

I already had Hotmail.com, MSN.com and Passport.com entered into my
Trusted Zone and configured as Always Allow in my Privacy settings.

The new requirement for me was adding that 4th domain - Live.com.

I don't remember receiving any emailed instructions from Microsoft
about this change perhaps being necessary, hence my confusion.

However, if they did send instructions out and I failed to notice,
then it's my bad, and I apologize for going nuts about Hotmail access
via OE 6.

Regardless, I wanted to say thank you for those who did attempt to
help. Perhaps this info will help others as well.

On Nov 14, 11:29 pm, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
Always reply to your original thread,
please:http://groups.google.com/group/micro...s.inetexplorer....

The last official word on accessing free Hotmail accounts in OE dates
from
May-08:http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5745.entry

We expect such access to continue until January 2009, at minimum. Keep in
mind that such free access has always been considered a "beta service"
with
no support whatsoever.

I've had no problems accessing my free Hotmail accounts in OE, Paul. That
being said, there are many recent posts in Internet Mail, MSN Discussion,
and Windows Live Mail newsgroups from users who are having problems
similar
to yours.

As I said earlier, most of the time the problem is on Hotmail's end, not
yours. Until the problem automagically clears up, access your account
atwww.mail.live.com.