"Jake" wrote in message
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Robert Aldwinckle wrote:
"Jake" wrote in message
...

One thread I started can be seen on a group but when the ID is
changed that post does not show on the same group.


Does different ID mean different server too? Then, again, it could
just be a reflection of the different quality of message retention between
two servers.

The different ID in this case is with the same server. This is what is
getting confusing. I can still go to the same group today and see one post
that does not show in an other ID. Also many of the posts within a thread do
not appear which I have verified by going to Google. There they all show
fine and I can tell which ones I miss. This is all one on computer now so I
have been wondering if there is a way to wipe everything clean and start
again. But I am a bit timid about this and don't want to lose everything
related to OE which has happened before.

I have
tried unsubscribing and resubscribing but this condition does not
change. I have unchecked Synchronize to see if this had any effect
but nothing seems to clear this up. I tried reset and downloading
again but still no joy. I tried adding another account with
duplicate settings and all the new posts start with once again
on the new account.


If you are getting two different views of the same server in different accounts
it must mean that something is different about the account, e.g. different
view or different rules, etc. Actually there are still other possibilities which
could be hypothesised involving the server side but they would be extremely
unlikely and could only be discounted by doing a full packet trace of the
NNTP exchanges as each account downloads its headers. Unfortunately
OE's troubleshooting log only shows us OE requesting the headers.
The only indication that we can get from it that it actually got some is if we also
request all message bodies to be downloaded as well. So the combination
of not being able to see the actual headers downloaded and the possibility
of rules deleting messages based on header information could explain
your symptom as described so far. Note that accidental additions to the
Blocked Senders list is the most common example and unfortunately
extremely easy to do (with insufficient warning IMO). E.g. hitting Alt-M,S
when I am aiming for Alt-M,a is something that has caused me annoyance
more than once. ; ] Fortunately I have never had the misfortune to have an
Enter primed to fall after it but that is another related possibility which could
actually delete some of the messages that you already had downloaded...
eg


I tried compacting and everything I can find but
I am lost as to how to fix this problem. I will be very thankful if
anyone has any idea of what can be done.


Use OE's troubleshooting log for News to check that OE is getting all
that each news server is offering. If you like you can either use a
different news reader or telnet 119 to confirm those observations.

I can see I still need to learn more as what you describe is not familiar.
I know nothing about 'Telnet procedures.


Thank you very much.

Jake



You're welcome. Good luck


Robert
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Robert Aldwinckle wrote:
"Jake" wrote in message
...


Robert Aldwinckle wrote:
"Jake" wrote in message
...

One thread I started can be seen on a group but when the ID is
changed that post does not show on the same group.


Does different ID mean different server too? Then, again, it could
just be a reflection of the different quality of message retention
between two servers.

The different ID in this case is with the same server. This is what
is getting confusing. I can still go to the same group today and see
one post that does not show in an other ID. Also many of the posts
within a thread do not appear which I have verified by going to
Google. There they all show fine and I can tell which ones I miss.
This is all one on computer now so I have been wondering if there is
a way to wipe everything clean and start again. But I am a bit timid
about this and don't want to lose everything related to OE which has
happened before.

I have
tried unsubscribing and resubscribing but this condition does not
change. I have unchecked Synchronize to see if this had any effect
but nothing seems to clear this up. I tried reset and downloading
again but still no joy. I tried adding another account with
duplicate settings and all the new posts start with once again
on the new account.


If you are getting two different views of the same server in
different accounts it must mean that something is different about the
account, e.g.
different view or different rules, etc. Actually there are still other
possibilities which could be hypothesised involving the server side
but they would be extremely unlikely and could only be discounted by
doing a full packet trace of the NNTP exchanges as each account downloads
its headers. Unfortunately
OE's troubleshooting log only shows us OE requesting the headers.
The only indication that we can get from it that it actually got some
is if we also request all message bodies to be downloaded as well. So the
combination of not being able to see the actual headers downloaded and the
possibility of rules deleting messages based on header information could
explain
your symptom as described so far. Note that accidental additions to
the Blocked Senders list is the most common example and unfortunately
extremely easy to do (with insufficient warning IMO). E.g. hitting
Alt-M,S when I am aiming for Alt-M,a is something that has caused me
annoyance more than once. ; ] Fortunately I have never had the
misfortune to
have an Enter primed to fall after it but that is another related
possibility
which could actually delete some of the messages that you already had
downloaded... eg

I will not be concerned with one post that gives me a problem for now. I am
still trying to decide on a good news server that works better than the ones
I have tried so far. I will be trying Easy News as it seems to get some good
recommendations. I have never gotten involved with any of the features of OE
and have never used the block senders list so I don't think I have
inadvertently done anything but that would still be a possibility.

Thanks again for the help.





I tried compacting and everything I can find but
I am lost as to how to fix this problem. I will be very thankful if
anyone has any idea of what can be done.


Use OE's troubleshooting log for News to check that OE is getting
all that each news server is offering. If you like you can either
use a different news reader or telnet 119 to confirm those
observations.

I can see I still need to learn more as what you describe is not
familiar. I know nothing about 'Telnet procedures.


Thank you very much.

Jake



You're welcome. Good luck


Robert
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you appear to be using COMCAST for your isp.
so what's wrong with the news server comcast provides giganews I believe it is.







"C Wilder" wrote in message ...


Robert Aldwinckle wrote:
"Jake" wrote in message
...


Robert Aldwinckle wrote:
"Jake" wrote in message
...

One thread I started can be seen on a group but when the ID is
changed that post does not show on the same group.


Does different ID mean different server too? Then, again, it could
just be a reflection of the different quality of message retention
between two servers.

The different ID in this case is with the same server. This is what
is getting confusing. I can still go to the same group today and see
one post that does not show in an other ID. Also many of the posts
within a thread do not appear which I have verified by going to
Google. There they all show fine and I can tell which ones I miss.
This is all one on computer now so I have been wondering if there is
a way to wipe everything clean and start again. But I am a bit timid
about this and don't want to lose everything related to OE which has
happened before.

I have
tried unsubscribing and resubscribing but this condition does not
change. I have unchecked Synchronize to see if this had any effect
but nothing seems to clear this up. I tried reset and downloading
again but still no joy. I tried adding another account with
duplicate settings and all the new posts start with once again
on the new account.


If you are getting two different views of the same server in
different accounts it must mean that something is different about the
account, e.g.
different view or different rules, etc. Actually there are still other
possibilities which could be hypothesised involving the server side
but they would be extremely unlikely and could only be discounted by
doing a full packet trace of the NNTP exchanges as each account downloads
its headers. Unfortunately
OE's troubleshooting log only shows us OE requesting the headers.
The only indication that we can get from it that it actually got some
is if we also request all message bodies to be downloaded as well. So the
combination of not being able to see the actual headers downloaded and the
possibility of rules deleting messages based on header information could
explain
your symptom as described so far. Note that accidental additions to
the Blocked Senders list is the most common example and unfortunately
extremely easy to do (with insufficient warning IMO). E.g. hitting
Alt-M,S when I am aiming for Alt-M,a is something that has caused me
annoyance more than once. ; ] Fortunately I have never had the
misfortune to
have an Enter primed to fall after it but that is another related
possibility
which could actually delete some of the messages that you already had
downloaded... eg

I will not be concerned with one post that gives me a problem for now. I am
still trying to decide on a good news server that works better than the ones
I have tried so far. I will be trying Easy News as it seems to get some good
recommendations. I have never gotten involved with any of the features of OE
and have never used the block senders list so I don't think I have
inadvertently done anything but that would still be a possibility.

Thanks again for the help.





I tried compacting and everything I can find but
I am lost as to how to fix this problem. I will be very thankful if
anyone has any idea of what can be done.


Use OE's troubleshooting log for News to check that OE is getting
all that each news server is offering. If you like you can either
use a different news reader or telnet 119 to confirm those
observations.

I can see I still need to learn more as what you describe is not
familiar. I know nothing about 'Telnet procedures.


Thank you very much.

Jake



You're welcome. Good luck


Robert
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"mikey" wrote in message ...
you appear to be using COMCAST for your isp.
so what's wrong with the news server comcast provides giganews I believe it is.


Sometimes I enjoy the privacy of non-Comcrap subscribers. Being able to use proxy servers to maintain anonymous posting. I have one particular stalker that enjoys following me around and posting crap forging my Nym. I also like to shield my wife from attacks when freak boy tracks my IP. Usenet bullies that don't leave the house all day are shut-ins for a reason. Comcrap apparently does not allow privacy in that respect.