The problem here is forwarding an e-mail that has been received as a forward
itself and has an embedded picture. I got into this because a friend has
been trying to do this and is getting complaints the picture does not get
received. The first thought was that it was a receiving problem. But there
were too many complaints.



I visited the sending system to see first hand what was going on.

What is there is Win XP and because I see tabs in the browser it is running
IE7.



The scenario is that an e-mail containing an embedded picture has been
received after having been forwarded several times. Now this e-mail is to be
forwarded again. A quick look at the file properties shows all the coded jpg
data that indicates that the picture is really there and not needing a
connection to a link somewhere. I tried to simply forward the e-mail to the
owner's own address. Then a quick look at the sent folder to see what was
sent shows the infamous empty box with the red x.



So I tried tack two. Back to the original e-mail. This time I did a select
all and copy, opened a new e-mail and pasted in what had just been copied.
Scrolled down to assure that the picture had been pasted in as planned. It
was there. Tried to send it on and then checked the sent folder and found
that the picture still had not been sent.



What is preventing the picture portion of the e-mail from being sent?





Charlie

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MS-MVP Outlook Express
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"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
The problem here is forwarding an e-mail that has been received as a
forward itself and has an embedded picture. I got into this because a
friend has been trying to do this and is getting complaints the picture
does not get received. The first thought was that it was a receiving
problem. But there were too many complaints.



I visited the sending system to see first hand what was going on.

What is there is Win XP and because I see tabs in the browser it is
running IE7.



The scenario is that an e-mail containing an embedded picture has been
received after having been forwarded several times. Now this e-mail is to
be forwarded again. A quick look at the file properties shows all the
coded jpg data that indicates that the picture is really there and not
needing a connection to a link somewhere. I tried to simply forward the
e-mail to the owner's own address. Then a quick look at the sent folder to
see what was sent shows the infamous empty box with the red x.



So I tried tack two. Back to the original e-mail. This time I did a select
all and copy, opened a new e-mail and pasted in what had just been copied.
Scrolled down to assure that the picture had been pasted in as planned. It
was there. Tried to send it on and then checked the sent folder and found
that the picture still had not been sent.



What is preventing the picture portion of the e-mail from being sent?





Charlie

Hi Charlie,

You might be interested in reading the following. Copied from a previous
post in this newsgroup, the query was about little red Xs where there should
be a picture.

Ken
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Submitted by: Ron R.


Answer:

There are a number of possible explanations for little red Xs in Outlook
Express. In fact, they are numerous.

First, let me give your seemingly simple second question, how to prevent
them, a straightforward answer. Use the "Message/forward as attachment"
command rather than the "Message/forward" command. Sending it as an
attachment sends the entire message intact. Your recipients can then open
the attachment and view the pictures--maybe!

Second, let me explain why this is such an issue. Finally, I'll suggest some
diagnostic techniques that you can use to determine exactly what is
happening.

To start, Outlook Express is not particularly friendly about the names of
images. If you send a poorly named image, your recipient may see the little
red iX/i or nothing at all. (Filenames should contain only letters and
numbers, a period, and if you must have them, underscores. Anything else,
such as spaces and percent symbols, may cause grief. Also the extension must
be recognized by Outlook Express as an image. This is under control of the
recipient. BMP and JPG are usually safe. JPEG and GIF may work. Anything
else is problematic, especially ART. (There is a small possibility that your
PC is set up correctly in this regard and that your recipient's PC's are
not.) Other e-mail programs are not as particular. However, since you are
forwarding the message, this is not under your control.

Now let's look at why things can go wrong in addition to file names. There
are two formats that can be used to send email and at least four ways to put
pictures into email. Not all combinations work and not all combinations are
available in Outlook Express. Because you are forwarding, you have no
control over the email program used by the original author, so you have no
control over the format of the forwarded message. But at least it will get
through if you attach it. If you are using in line forwarding, i.e. the
Forward command, then your Outlook Express settings are also involved. You
should make sure that you are composing with Format | Rich Text turned on.
(See warning below.)

Similarly, you have no control over the email program used to receive the
messages from you. In particular, if the recipient is using Outlook Express
under XP SP2, a privacy/security feature results in some images showing the
little red X. This is quickly resolved by clicking on the info bar at the
top of the message. You might read up on this SP2 feature and educate your
correspondents about it. There is a long standing option in Outlook Express
that displays the received message in Plain Text. This may also be the
cause, though usually this results in the images showing up listed in the
attachments, rather than a red X. Again, you may have to educate your
recipients, and again see warning below. There are other settings on the
recipient end that may also interfer. Also all bets are off if your
recipients are using something other than Outlook Express (especially AOL)
to read their mail.

Now for some diagonostic ideas. First, if you have not done so, check the
Send Option that saves every message to the Sent Folder. Also when you
forward a message as an attachment, use CC or BCC to send a copy to
yourself. These steps will allow you to see the message at each stage of the
process.

When you get back your copy of the email, clear your Internet Explorer cache
before opening it. (Control Panel | Intenet Options | Delete Files.) Outlook
Express and Internet Explorer interact in several ways, and this is one of
them. Emptying the cache will make sure that Outlook Express has to deal
with the images. Now open the message and click on the attachment to open
it. If the pictures are there, you are home free. If your intended
recipients do not see the images, the problem is at their end. If you don't
see the images, continue your diagnosis. However, be warned that this
involves slogging through the raw message source, not something for the
faint hearted.

Before doing that, there is something else that you can do. Check the
message size in Outlook Express. If the messages are under 10 KB, odds are
the pictures were NOT part of the original message, but rather links to
them. These links often are highly volatile. They may work when you opened
the email, but by the time your recipient receives it they may not work any
more. (Outlook allows you to send images this way. Outlook Express does not
except as your forward the message.)

Finally, if all else fails you will have to study the source for the
messages. Select the message in Outlook Express. Select File | Properties |
Details | Message Source. You can then copy and paste the source into
notepad to save it for study. Alternatively, drag the message to the desk
top, right click, select Open with | Choose program ... and select Notepad.
Check Always use the selected program to open this kind of file. You can
then open the message at the three different stages and try to determine
where the pictures went. Doing this is not trivial, and I can't hope to
cover the bases here. But intelligent study of the messages side by side may
suggest what is going on.

Warning: I have a correspondent that likes to say "Friends don't send
friends HTML formatted email." The reason is that HTML can invoke all sorts
of active content that can cause havoc to your computer if your security
settings are not correct and / or your version of Outlook Express is not up
to date. When you use Format | Rich Text (HTML) to send email, then the
message is sent as HTML. When you leave the Read all messages in plain text
option unchecked, then you allow Outlook Express to interpret the HTML. I've
never run into problems with this, but Microsoft was sufficiently concerned
about Privacy/Security that they disable one feature of HTML by default in
Outlook Express under XP SP2. This results in the need to check the info bar
as mentioned above.

The Forward as Attachment method should solve your problem. As you can see
why it happens is not easy.

Regards,
Al C.

Submitted by: Al C.

"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
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| The problem here is forwarding an e-mail that has been received as a
forward
| itself and has an embedded picture. I got into this because a friend has
| been trying to do this and is getting complaints the picture does not get
| received. The first thought was that it was a receiving problem. But there
| were too many complaints.
|
|
|
| I visited the sending system to see first hand what was going on.
|
| What is there is Win XP and because I see tabs in the browser it is
running
| IE7.
|
|
|
| The scenario is that an e-mail containing an embedded picture has been
| received after having been forwarded several times. Now this e-mail is to
be
| forwarded again. A quick look at the file properties shows all the coded
jpg
| data that indicates that the picture is really there and not needing a
| connection to a link somewhere. I tried to simply forward the e-mail to
the
| owner's own address. Then a quick look at the sent folder to see what was
| sent shows the infamous empty box with the red x.
|
|
|
| So I tried tack two. Back to the original e-mail. This time I did a select
| all and copy, opened a new e-mail and pasted in what had just been copied.
| Scrolled down to assure that the picture had been pasted in as planned. It
| was there. Tried to send it on and then checked the sent folder and found
| that the picture still had not been sent.
|
|
|
| What is preventing the picture portion of the e-mail from being sent?
|
|
|
|
|
| Charlie
|
|