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Julian Dates
Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar
format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
Julian Dates
Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you?
To put it a bit crude; a Julian Date is nothing more than a "big" mathematical number counting the days passed since January 1, 4713 BC (Greenwich noon) with a decimal which is a reference to a specific time of the day. Other than for specific researches I cannot really come up with a reason to have it. And I cannot really think of one to have it in a generic calendar application as a standard option. Anyway, since you can calculate it by a static formula, you can add such information by creating a macro which looks at which date/time you have selected in your calendar and then does the calculation for you. The same is true if you actually meant that you want to see the day number of this year. -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "steviegt" wrote in message ... Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
Julian Dates
Wow, I have my reasons. I only want the day number of the year. I will
look at creating a macro. But thanks for the history lesson. "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? To put it a bit crude; a Julian Date is nothing more than a "big" mathematical number counting the days passed since January 1, 4713 BC (Greenwich noon) with a decimal which is a reference to a specific time of the day. Other than for specific researches I cannot really come up with a reason to have it. And I cannot really think of one to have it in a generic calendar application as a standard option. Anyway, since you can calculate it by a static formula, you can add such information by creating a macro which looks at which date/time you have selected in your calendar and then does the calculation for you. The same is true if you actually meant that you want to see the day number of this year. -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "steviegt" wrote in message ... Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
Julian Dates
outlook doesn't show the day number but one of the alternate calendars
reportedly does (none I tried will - one does moon phases though). tools, options, calendar options, show alternate calendar. -- Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Outlook Tips by email: EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange: You can access this newsgroup by visiting http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...s/default.mspx or point your newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com. "steviegt" wrote in message ... Wow, I have my reasons. I only want the day number of the year. I will look at creating a macro. But thanks for the history lesson. "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? To put it a bit crude; a Julian Date is nothing more than a "big" mathematical number counting the days passed since January 1, 4713 BC (Greenwich noon) with a decimal which is a reference to a specific time of the day. Other than for specific researches I cannot really come up with a reason to have it. And I cannot really think of one to have it in a generic calendar application as a standard option. Anyway, since you can calculate it by a static formula, you can add such information by creating a macro which looks at which date/time you have selected in your calendar and then does the calculation for you. The same is true if you actually meant that you want to see the day number of this year. -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "steviegt" wrote in message ... Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
Julian Dates
All I can say is: Wow!
I use a Julian Date frequently on mainframe and server based applications. I'm surprised at your comment. Not only is a Julian Date add-in a great idea for Outlook Calendar, it should have been there 5 years ago. Numerous print calendars have this feature today. I'm sure you don't need to know what day Australia Day is if you live in the US, typically, but at least you have the 'option' of adding them in. Just because YOU don't see the 'vision', doesn't mean someone isn't already 'living' it. "Roady [MVP]" wrote: Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? To put it a bit crude; a Julian Date is nothing more than a "big" mathematical number counting the days passed since January 1, 4713 BC (Greenwich noon) with a decimal which is a reference to a specific time of the day. Other than for specific researches I cannot really come up with a reason to have it. And I cannot really think of one to have it in a generic calendar application as a standard option. Anyway, since you can calculate it by a static formula, you can add such information by creating a macro which looks at which date/time you have selected in your calendar and then does the calculation for you. The same is true if you actually meant that you want to see the day number of this year. -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "steviegt" wrote in message ... Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
Julian Dates
Why do you need to turn this into something personal?
I think you failed to read my first sentence; Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? So I already asked for more information about it from the OP. I then gave my personal opinion on its technical relevance in conjunction to Outlook. It's ok if you don't agree with me on that part but motivate yourself instead of just dismissing my opinion and even attack me on it. I didn't dismiss the OP's request either; since the OP didn't posted enough information, I had to make an assumption as to why it would be relevant to have it. The OP was free to respond on that and could give another reason to have it other than my assumptions. That of course can change my opinion. I didn't dismiss his/her opinion either; he/she didn't post any. My responds was purely technical of nature and even provided technical workarounds to still get it. Since you like to have Julian Dates in Outlook as well, I'm sure you can then explain it to me what the greater importance of it is. It might be a great idea to have it natively in Outlook indeed but based on your responds, I cannot tell so it would be hard to support the idea. When making a suggestion, don't make it because you would need it but make it because it will benefit the product or a whole lot more people and motivate your suggestion. A general rule of thumb is that suggestions for niche markets (do not confuse with small nations or populations) are usually not incorporated into the general product. Depending on its implementation method or need, Microsoft itself could provide an addin for that or it will be left to the addin market. If you know how to write code, this could be an opportunity for you. For instance, this photography addin of Microsoft for Outlook is such a thing that supports a niche market but isn't included in the general product; http://www.microsoft.com/prophoto/do...hotoshoot.aspx -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "Responder" wrote in message ... All I can say is: Wow! I use a Julian Date frequently on mainframe and server based applications. I'm surprised at your comment. Not only is a Julian Date add-in a great idea for Outlook Calendar, it should have been there 5 years ago. Numerous print calendars have this feature today. I'm sure you don't need to know what day Australia Day is if you live in the US, typically, but at least you have the 'option' of adding them in. Just because YOU don't see the 'vision', doesn't mean someone isn't already 'living' it. "Roady [MVP]" wrote: Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? To put it a bit crude; a Julian Date is nothing more than a "big" mathematical number counting the days passed since January 1, 4713 BC (Greenwich noon) with a decimal which is a reference to a specific time of the day. Other than for specific researches I cannot really come up with a reason to have it. And I cannot really think of one to have it in a generic calendar application as a standard option. Anyway, since you can calculate it by a static formula, you can add such information by creating a macro which looks at which date/time you have selected in your calendar and then does the calculation for you. The same is true if you actually meant that you want to see the day number of this year. -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "steviegt" wrote in message ... Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
Julian Dates
Roady,
I'm afraid I have to with the responder about the Julian date calendar being added 5 years ago. I am in the military, and we deal with the Julian calendar (dates) on a daily basis. The airline industry uses the Julian calendar as well. That is two major industries that use a MS product. Now, are we demanding for MS to update their programming or else? No, we are just requesting for options, and trying to figure out why it was not thought of in the development process. v/r Gonzo "Roady [MVP]" wrote: Why do you need to turn this into something personal? I think you failed to read my first sentence; Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? So I already asked for more information about it from the OP. I then gave my personal opinion on its technical relevance in conjunction to Outlook. It's ok if you don't agree with me on that part but motivate yourself instead of just dismissing my opinion and even attack me on it. I didn't dismiss the OP's request either; since the OP didn't posted enough information, I had to make an assumption as to why it would be relevant to have it. The OP was free to respond on that and could give another reason to have it other than my assumptions. That of course can change my opinion. I didn't dismiss his/her opinion either; he/she didn't post any. My responds was purely technical of nature and even provided technical workarounds to still get it. Since you like to have Julian Dates in Outlook as well, I'm sure you can then explain it to me what the greater importance of it is. It might be a great idea to have it natively in Outlook indeed but based on your responds, I cannot tell so it would be hard to support the idea. When making a suggestion, don't make it because you would need it but make it because it will benefit the product or a whole lot more people and motivate your suggestion. A general rule of thumb is that suggestions for niche markets (do not confuse with small nations or populations) are usually not incorporated into the general product. Depending on its implementation method or need, Microsoft itself could provide an addin for that or it will be left to the addin market. If you know how to write code, this could be an opportunity for you. For instance, this photography addin of Microsoft for Outlook is such a thing that supports a niche market but isn't included in the general product; http://www.microsoft.com/prophoto/do...hotoshoot.aspx -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "Responder" wrote in message ... All I can say is: Wow! I use a Julian Date frequently on mainframe and server based applications. I'm surprised at your comment. Not only is a Julian Date add-in a great idea for Outlook Calendar, it should have been there 5 years ago. Numerous print calendars have this feature today. I'm sure you don't need to know what day Australia Day is if you live in the US, typically, but at least you have the 'option' of adding them in. Just because YOU don't see the 'vision', doesn't mean someone isn't already 'living' it. "Roady [MVP]" wrote: Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? To put it a bit crude; a Julian Date is nothing more than a "big" mathematical number counting the days passed since January 1, 4713 BC (Greenwich noon) with a decimal which is a reference to a specific time of the day. Other than for specific researches I cannot really come up with a reason to have it. And I cannot really think of one to have it in a generic calendar application as a standard option. Anyway, since you can calculate it by a static formula, you can add such information by creating a macro which looks at which date/time you have selected in your calendar and then does the calculation for you. The same is true if you actually meant that you want to see the day number of this year. -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "steviegt" wrote in message ... Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
Julian Dates
"Gonzo" wrote in message
... I'm afraid I have to with the responder about the Julian date calendar being added 5 years ago. I am in the military, and we deal with the Julian calendar (dates) on a daily basis. The airline industry uses the Julian calendar as well. A calendar that expresses a date as a numbered day of the year (ordinal day) is not the "Julian" date. The Julian date representing February 17, 2009 is 2,454,880. I don't believe for an instant that an airline would use that value. Now, considering how confusing the government likes to be, perhaps the military might, but I doubt it. -- Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook] |
Julian Dates
The Julian Date is a useful tool in many applications. It is apparent that
the naivety of some would strike another as odd. However, if you don't see a use for one thing or another does not constitute the usefulness for the other. As a 20 Military Veteran and now a Federal Employee, Julian dates are crucial for computations of many things. Since your curiosity bug is itching, imagine a number stated as 10234. That number to you may not mean much, but to a planner, logistician or manager, that number represents that in the year 2010 day 234 (August 22) something will happen. Julian dates can be used for many reasons and if you weren’t savvy enough to figure out that 10234 = August 22, 2010 you may be able to see the usefulness of Julian dates. "Roady [MVP]" wrote: Why do you need to turn this into something personal? I think you failed to read my first sentence; Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? So I already asked for more information about it from the OP. I then gave my personal opinion on its technical relevance in conjunction to Outlook. It's ok if you don't agree with me on that part but motivate yourself instead of just dismissing my opinion and even attack me on it. I didn't dismiss the OP's request either; since the OP didn't posted enough information, I had to make an assumption as to why it would be relevant to have it. The OP was free to respond on that and could give another reason to have it other than my assumptions. That of course can change my opinion. I didn't dismiss his/her opinion either; he/she didn't post any. My responds was purely technical of nature and even provided technical workarounds to still get it. Since you like to have Julian Dates in Outlook as well, I'm sure you can then explain it to me what the greater importance of it is. It might be a great idea to have it natively in Outlook indeed but based on your responds, I cannot tell so it would be hard to support the idea. When making a suggestion, don't make it because you would need it but make it because it will benefit the product or a whole lot more people and motivate your suggestion. A general rule of thumb is that suggestions for niche markets (do not confuse with small nations or populations) are usually not incorporated into the general product. Depending on its implementation method or need, Microsoft itself could provide an addin for that or it will be left to the addin market. If you know how to write code, this could be an opportunity for you. For instance, this photography addin of Microsoft for Outlook is such a thing that supports a niche market but isn't included in the general product; http://www.microsoft.com/prophoto/do...hotoshoot.aspx -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "Responder" wrote in message ... All I can say is: Wow! I use a Julian Date frequently on mainframe and server based applications. I'm surprised at your comment. Not only is a Julian Date add-in a great idea for Outlook Calendar, it should have been there 5 years ago. Numerous print calendars have this feature today. I'm sure you don't need to know what day Australia Day is if you live in the US, typically, but at least you have the 'option' of adding them in. Just because YOU don't see the 'vision', doesn't mean someone isn't already 'living' it. "Roady [MVP]" wrote: Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? To put it a bit crude; a Julian Date is nothing more than a "big" mathematical number counting the days passed since January 1, 4713 BC (Greenwich noon) with a decimal which is a reference to a specific time of the day. Other than for specific researches I cannot really come up with a reason to have it. And I cannot really think of one to have it in a generic calendar application as a standard option. Anyway, since you can calculate it by a static formula, you can add such information by creating a macro which looks at which date/time you have selected in your calendar and then does the calculation for you. The same is true if you actually meant that you want to see the day number of this year. -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "steviegt" wrote in message ... Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
Julian Dates
Allow me to add my 2 cents to the "need" for julian dates. The MS Office
suite is the "official" office suite for the US Govt. As such it is the required file format for many if not most of the official reports submitted to the govt by the many contractors doing business with the govt. As a result the MS Office suite has become the "official" office suite of most of the govt contractors, both large and small. From the Boeing's to the mom & pop small business contractors the MS Office suite is being used. The govt uses 4 digit julian dates (YXXX where Y is the last digit of the year and XXX is the sequential day of the year since Jan 1), period. Because the govt uses julian dates so do a very large number of govt contractors. The need for julian date support with MS Outlook is not just a small group of Outlook users, it is a VERY large section of users. A MUCH larger group than those that use many of the extra features that are functional with Outlook. Please, support the users with useful features that we need like julian dates. I know this because I work for a large govt contractor on a US Marine Corp Air Station and have been working with the military for the past 34 yrs. "Flynoe" wrote: The Julian Date is a useful tool in many applications. It is apparent that the naivety of some would strike another as odd. However, if you don't see a use for one thing or another does not constitute the usefulness for the other. As a 20 Military Veteran and now a Federal Employee, Julian dates are crucial for computations of many things. Since your curiosity bug is itching, imagine a number stated as 10234. That number to you may not mean much, but to a planner, logistician or manager, that number represents that in the year 2010 day 234 (August 22) something will happen. Julian dates can be used for many reasons and if you weren’t savvy enough to figure out that 10234 = August 22, 2010 you may be able to see the usefulness of Julian dates. "Roady [MVP]" wrote: Why do you need to turn this into something personal? I think you failed to read my first sentence; Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? So I already asked for more information about it from the OP. I then gave my personal opinion on its technical relevance in conjunction to Outlook. It's ok if you don't agree with me on that part but motivate yourself instead of just dismissing my opinion and even attack me on it. I didn't dismiss the OP's request either; since the OP didn't posted enough information, I had to make an assumption as to why it would be relevant to have it. The OP was free to respond on that and could give another reason to have it other than my assumptions. That of course can change my opinion. I didn't dismiss his/her opinion either; he/she didn't post any. My responds was purely technical of nature and even provided technical workarounds to still get it. Since you like to have Julian Dates in Outlook as well, I'm sure you can then explain it to me what the greater importance of it is. It might be a great idea to have it natively in Outlook indeed but based on your responds, I cannot tell so it would be hard to support the idea. When making a suggestion, don't make it because you would need it but make it because it will benefit the product or a whole lot more people and motivate your suggestion. A general rule of thumb is that suggestions for niche markets (do not confuse with small nations or populations) are usually not incorporated into the general product. Depending on its implementation method or need, Microsoft itself could provide an addin for that or it will be left to the addin market. If you know how to write code, this could be an opportunity for you. For instance, this photography addin of Microsoft for Outlook is such a thing that supports a niche market but isn't included in the general product; http://www.microsoft.com/prophoto/do...hotoshoot.aspx -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "Responder" wrote in message ... All I can say is: Wow! I use a Julian Date frequently on mainframe and server based applications. I'm surprised at your comment. Not only is a Julian Date add-in a great idea for Outlook Calendar, it should have been there 5 years ago. Numerous print calendars have this feature today. I'm sure you don't need to know what day Australia Day is if you live in the US, typically, but at least you have the 'option' of adding them in. Just because YOU don't see the 'vision', doesn't mean someone isn't already 'living' it. "Roady [MVP]" wrote: Out of curiosity; how is this useful to you? To put it a bit crude; a Julian Date is nothing more than a "big" mathematical number counting the days passed since January 1, 4713 BC (Greenwich noon) with a decimal which is a reference to a specific time of the day. Other than for specific researches I cannot really come up with a reason to have it. And I cannot really think of one to have it in a generic calendar application as a standard option. Anyway, since you can calculate it by a static formula, you can add such information by creating a macro which looks at which date/time you have selected in your calendar and then does the calculation for you. The same is true if you actually meant that you want to see the day number of this year. -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more http://www.msoutlook.info/ Real World Questions, Real World Answers ----- "steviegt" wrote in message ... Is there a way to show Julian dates in addition to the standard calendar format? I looked in Vistas Regional Languages and there is nothing there to select for this option. -- Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32 bit Internet Explorer v7 Office Home and Student 2007 SP1 Outlook 2007 Standalone ESET Security Suite |
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