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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
See the link in my signature. It addresses a serious performance issues
with PSTs/OSTs that are 1 GB or bigger, but I would personally recommend everyone to install it. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Are you running the Outlook Performance Update already? Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] I have no idea what that is. Was it part of Windows Update? I've had no problems with Outlook 2007 otherwise... performance-wise anyway-- other than this Excel problem. I'll research this update. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
I have confirmed this issue on at least two machines. And it is easy to
reproduce. Create a VBA macro with a simple Do-Loop that will tie up Excel. Example: Public Sub TestPerf Do 'do nothing Loop End Sub Start the macro. While it is running, go to your Outlook window. Create a New message. Close the message. See Outlook hang. This problem isn't limited to just "macros." Anytime another Office app begins a time-consuming process it seems to block other Office apps in some way or another. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... So if you are trashing the VPN connection with Excel queries how do you think Outlook can maintain its connection to the Exchange server or am I missing something in your setup here? -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- "C. Moya" wrote in message ... All other programs respond fine. The CPU isn't really hit hard because the bottleneck is the vpn connection to the database. I did (quick and dirty) try an empty Do-Loop in Excel to see if the same thing happened. It didn't. Outlook responded just fine (eventhough, ironically, CPU was at 100%). I will try to experiment some more and isolate the problem... But, I do know for a fact that I've seen this at other times.... although I've never paid enough mind to make a note of exactly when. For instance, Access will also block other Office apps. It seems that under some circumstances, Office 2007 apps are very sensitive to each other. I'll try to experiment some more P.S. (this issue is now a big deal for us.... I can't have my employees not use Outlook just because they're pulling info the database into Excel.... it's bad enough that Excel's MDI crippled window already blocks access to their other open workbooks). -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Could it just be that the macro forces Excel to take 100% of the CPU and hence nothing is left over for Outlook to run with? Have you watched the CPU consumption of the Excel and Outlook processes during the execution of the macro? One way to determine whether it's a CPU issue, is to reduce the Excel process to the lowest priority possible while the macro is running and to see whether Outlook is usable then. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... Blocks Outlook in what way? From starting up? -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 No, from working period. Outlook is loaded up. It freezes (neither its main window nor any open message windows respond). I expect Excel to be frozen while the macro runs (the macro runs against a database and fills some cells.... it takes some time), but not Outlook!!! I haven't tested to see if other Office apps are affected too. In any case, this is a real downer. Office 2003 and prior didn't do this. |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
I don't have a repro here. Sure Outlook was considerably slowed down due
to Excel being a CPU hog, but it remained usable and it didn't hang. Note that I have the performance update installed. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : I have confirmed this issue on at least two machines. And it is easy to reproduce. Create a VBA macro with a simple Do-Loop that will tie up Excel. Example: Public Sub TestPerf Do 'do nothing Loop End Sub Start the macro. While it is running, go to your Outlook window. Create a New message. Close the message. See Outlook hang. This problem isn't limited to just "macros." Anytime another Office app begins a time-consuming process it seems to block other Office apps in some way or another. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... So if you are trashing the VPN connection with Excel queries how do you think Outlook can maintain its connection to the Exchange server or am I missing something in your setup here? -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- "C. Moya" wrote in message ... All other programs respond fine. The CPU isn't really hit hard because the bottleneck is the vpn connection to the database. I did (quick and dirty) try an empty Do-Loop in Excel to see if the same thing happened. It didn't. Outlook responded just fine (eventhough, ironically, CPU was at 100%). I will try to experiment some more and isolate the problem... But, I do know for a fact that I've seen this at other times.... although I've never paid enough mind to make a note of exactly when. For instance, Access will also block other Office apps. It seems that under some circumstances, Office 2007 apps are very sensitive to each other. I'll try to experiment some more P.S. (this issue is now a big deal for us.... I can't have my employees not use Outlook just because they're pulling info the database into Excel.... it's bad enough that Excel's MDI crippled window already blocks access to their other open workbooks). -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Could it just be that the macro forces Excel to take 100% of the CPU and hence nothing is left over for Outlook to run with? Have you watched the CPU consumption of the Excel and Outlook processes during the execution of the macro? One way to determine whether it's a CPU issue, is to reduce the Excel process to the lowest priority possible while the macro is running and to see whether Outlook is usable then. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... Blocks Outlook in what way? From starting up? -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 No, from working period. Outlook is loaded up. It freezes (neither its main window nor any open message windows respond). I expect Excel to be frozen while the macro runs (the macro runs against a database and fills some cells.... it takes some time), but not Outlook!!! I haven't tested to see if other Office apps are affected too. In any case, this is a real downer. Office 2003 and prior didn't do this. |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
Were you able to start a new message and close it?
Anyway, I will install the performance update tonight and see if it solves the problem. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... I don't have a repro here. Sure Outlook was considerably slowed down due to Excel being a CPU hog, but it remained usable and it didn't hang. Note that I have the performance update installed. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : I have confirmed this issue on at least two machines. And it is easy to reproduce. Create a VBA macro with a simple Do-Loop that will tie up Excel. Example: Public Sub TestPerf Do 'do nothing Loop End Sub Start the macro. While it is running, go to your Outlook window. Create a New message. Close the message. See Outlook hang. This problem isn't limited to just "macros." Anytime another Office app begins a time-consuming process it seems to block other Office apps in some way or another. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... So if you are trashing the VPN connection with Excel queries how do you think Outlook can maintain its connection to the Exchange server or am I missing something in your setup here? -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- "C. Moya" wrote in message ... All other programs respond fine. The CPU isn't really hit hard because the bottleneck is the vpn connection to the database. I did (quick and dirty) try an empty Do-Loop in Excel to see if the same thing happened. It didn't. Outlook responded just fine (eventhough, ironically, CPU was at 100%). I will try to experiment some more and isolate the problem... But, I do know for a fact that I've seen this at other times.... although I've never paid enough mind to make a note of exactly when. For instance, Access will also block other Office apps. It seems that under some circumstances, Office 2007 apps are very sensitive to each other. I'll try to experiment some more P.S. (this issue is now a big deal for us.... I can't have my employees not use Outlook just because they're pulling info the database into Excel.... it's bad enough that Excel's MDI crippled window already blocks access to their other open workbooks). -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Could it just be that the macro forces Excel to take 100% of the CPU and hence nothing is left over for Outlook to run with? Have you watched the CPU consumption of the Excel and Outlook processes during the execution of the macro? One way to determine whether it's a CPU issue, is to reduce the Excel process to the lowest priority possible while the macro is running and to see whether Outlook is usable then. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... Blocks Outlook in what way? From starting up? -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 No, from working period. Outlook is loaded up. It freezes (neither its main window nor any open message windows respond). I expect Excel to be frozen while the macro runs (the macro runs against a database and fills some cells.... it takes some time), but not Outlook!!! I haven't tested to see if other Office apps are affected too. In any case, this is a real downer. Office 2003 and prior didn't do this. |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
Yes, I was. Note though that I am not using Exchange. I only use IMAP.
"C. Moya" wrote in message : Were you able to start a new message and close it? Anyway, I will install the performance update tonight and see if it solves the problem. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... I don't have a repro here. Sure Outlook was considerably slowed down due to Excel being a CPU hog, but it remained usable and it didn't hang. Note that I have the performance update installed. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : I have confirmed this issue on at least two machines. And it is easy to reproduce. Create a VBA macro with a simple Do-Loop that will tie up Excel. Example: Public Sub TestPerf Do 'do nothing Loop End Sub Start the macro. While it is running, go to your Outlook window. Create a New message. Close the message. See Outlook hang. This problem isn't limited to just "macros." Anytime another Office app begins a time-consuming process it seems to block other Office apps in some way or another. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... So if you are trashing the VPN connection with Excel queries how do you think Outlook can maintain its connection to the Exchange server or am I missing something in your setup here? -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- "C. Moya" wrote in message ... All other programs respond fine. The CPU isn't really hit hard because the bottleneck is the vpn connection to the database. I did (quick and dirty) try an empty Do-Loop in Excel to see if the same thing happened. It didn't. Outlook responded just fine (eventhough, ironically, CPU was at 100%). I will try to experiment some more and isolate the problem... But, I do know for a fact that I've seen this at other times.... although I've never paid enough mind to make a note of exactly when. For instance, Access will also block other Office apps. It seems that under some circumstances, Office 2007 apps are very sensitive to each other. I'll try to experiment some more P.S. (this issue is now a big deal for us.... I can't have my employees not use Outlook just because they're pulling info the database into Excel.... it's bad enough that Excel's MDI crippled window already blocks access to their other open workbooks). -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Could it just be that the macro forces Excel to take 100% of the CPU and hence nothing is left over for Outlook to run with? Have you watched the CPU consumption of the Excel and Outlook processes during the execution of the macro? One way to determine whether it's a CPU issue, is to reduce the Excel process to the lowest priority possible while the macro is running and to see whether Outlook is usable then. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Roady [MVP]" t wrote in message ... Blocks Outlook in what way? From starting up? -- Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 No, from working period. Outlook is loaded up. It freezes (neither its main window nor any open message windows respond). I expect Excel to be frozen while the macro runs (the macro runs against a database and fills some cells.... it takes some time), but not Outlook!!! I haven't tested to see if other Office apps are affected too. In any case, this is a real downer. Office 2003 and prior didn't do this. |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
I tested this against an Exchange server (Exchange 2003 SP2, LAN connection
to my Exchange server). As an added bonus I tested it when that computer was running a full anti-virus scan on the hard drive. Things were slower in Outlook with the Excel process using 99% of the CPU certainly, but there was no hang in Outlook and I was able to open a new mail item, type in it and then close it with no problems. I have the Outlook speed-up hot fix installed on that Outlook 2007 setup. The test was run on a Windows XP SP2 machine. I didn't test on any of my Vista setups. -- Ken Slovak [MVP - Outlook] http://www.slovaktech.com Author: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 Reminder Manager, Extended Reminders, Attachment Options http://www.slovaktech.com/products.htm "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Yes, I was. Note though that I am not using Exchange. I only use IMAP. |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
The update does resolve the problem. Thank you for pointing me to it.
-- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... See the link in my signature. It addresses a serious performance issues with PSTs/OSTs that are 1 GB or bigger, but I would personally recommend everyone to install it. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Are you running the Outlook Performance Update already? Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] I have no idea what that is. Was it part of Windows Update? I've had no problems with Outlook 2007 otherwise... performance-wise anyway-- other than this Excel problem. I'll research this update. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
Do you have your virus scanner integrated with Outlook or email in
general? If yes, switch that off, as it only costs performance but doesn't add any protection. If you disconnect the VPN and then try to repro it, can you still repro it? How about if you leave the VPN connected, but open Outlook in safe mode (start, run, "outlook /a"). Still a repro? If you open Outlook in safe mode and disable your virus scanner (all of it, not just the Outlook integration), still a repro? Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : The update does resolve the problem. Thank you for pointing me to it. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... See the link in my signature. It addresses a serious performance issues with PSTs/OSTs that are 1 GB or bigger, but I would personally recommend everyone to install it. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Are you running the Outlook Performance Update already? Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] I have no idea what that is. Was it part of Windows Update? I've had no problems with Outlook 2007 otherwise... performance-wise anyway-- other than this Excel problem. I'll research this update. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
Sorry, it is "outlook /safe"
"C. Moya" wrote in message : The update does resolve the problem. Thank you for pointing me to it. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... See the link in my signature. It addresses a serious performance issues with PSTs/OSTs that are 1 GB or bigger, but I would personally recommend everyone to install it. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Are you running the Outlook Performance Update already? Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] I have no idea what that is. Was it part of Windows Update? I've had no problems with Outlook 2007 otherwise... performance-wise anyway-- other than this Excel problem. I'll research this update. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com |
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(2007) Excel macro blocks Outlook???
I don't have a virus scanner turned on. And testing revealed that the
problem had nothing to do with VPN. Anytime Excel was "blocked" (an empty Do Loop macro, for instance), Outlook would be blocked as well. (actually it would block only when you tried to do certain things... like close a new message window). The Performance Update solved the problem tho. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Do you have your virus scanner integrated with Outlook or email in general? If yes, switch that off, as it only costs performance but doesn't add any protection. If you disconnect the VPN and then try to repro it, can you still repro it? How about if you leave the VPN connected, but open Outlook in safe mode (start, run, "outlook /a"). Still a repro? If you open Outlook in safe mode and disable your virus scanner (all of it, not just the Outlook integration), still a repro? Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : The update does resolve the problem. Thank you for pointing me to it. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... See the link in my signature. It addresses a serious performance issues with PSTs/OSTs that are 1 GB or bigger, but I would personally recommend everyone to install it. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "C. Moya" wrote in message : "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote in message ... Are you running the Outlook Performance Update already? Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] I have no idea what that is. Was it part of Windows Update? I've had no problems with Outlook 2007 otherwise... performance-wise anyway-- other than this Excel problem. I'll research this update. -- -C. Moya www.cmoya.com |
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