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June 13th 06, 07:05 PM
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Outlook's bad design
Outlook is sending email messages that never
reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? Unfortunately, we have someone that insists on using it which is a headache. 
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June 13th 06, 07:16 PM
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Hi Tom,
Did the recipient check his or her spam folder or is there any chance the recipient might have spam automatically deleted? Generally when Outlook sends an email and you don't get an error message, the problem is not with the sending Outlook. Can you give us details about your configuration (which Outlook version, email acct type, etc) as well as details on what you do when you encounter the issue? Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Tom" wrote in message : Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? Unfortunately, we have someone that insists on using it which is a headache.
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June 13th 06, 07:25 PM
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What kind of server are you using? This would be an issue with the SMTP
server, not Outlook. Using Exchange, I get either non-delivery reports or delayed delivery reports, depending on the recipient's server status. "Tom" wrote in message ... Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? Unfortunately, we have someone that insists on using it which is a headache.
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June 13th 06, 07:45 PM
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As others have stated, this has nothing to do with Outlook. This is just how
email works. You only get a NDR if 1) the remote system confirms delivery failures and 2) the email actually didn't reach the destination. Lots of mail servers these days are saying to hell with RFC compliance and just ignoring NDR's because spam is out of control. You really shouldn't come to a Microsoft-provided support group slamming Microsoft without any basis or any idea of what's going on. -- Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP) Einstein Technologies Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com Chock full of inky goodness! "Tom" wrote in message ... Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? Unfortunately, we have someone that insists on using it which is a headache.
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June 13th 06, 08:17 PM
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"Tom" wrote in message
... Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? Unfortunately, we have someone that insists on using it which is a headache. It is not Microsoft's responsibility for problems with YOUR e-mail provider. No e-mail client can control what happens after it passes off the e-mail to the mail server. It is not Microsoft's responsibility that the recipients have chosen to use anti-spam filters or rules to eliminate getting YOUR crap. It is not Microsoft's responsibility to control the receiving mail server to enforce any error notices to be returned. You have clearly exposed your ignorance as to how e-mail works. So how does someone else wanting to use Outlook then force YOU to use Outlook?
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June 13th 06, 09:37 PM
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Tom wrote:
Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? It's not Microsoft's design that's causing the problem. It's the poor design of one of the servers sitting between you and your client. -- Brian Tillman
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June 13th 06, 11:37 PM
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Brian Tillman wrote:
Tom wrote: Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? It's not Microsoft's design that's causing the problem. It's the poor design of one of the servers sitting between you and your client. I think the problem is that no message pops up of SMTP server can not be reached or mail can not be delivered for some other reasons by the SMTP server you connect to. The Error icon on the bottom (statusbar?) is really not noticeable. I was really surprised to see a message I thought I had sent a few days ago still in my outbox just because SMTP server was unavailable (and I had to use second one). Siim Karus
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June 14th 06, 04:15 AM
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The configuration that did not return error messages
was as follows: Outlook 2002 2 Profiles One of the profiles was set up previously to use MS exchange server. A second profile was added using SMTP and pop3. Under the mail icon, MS exchange was set up as the default mail service. Mail leaving the second profile using smtp and pop3 would not be delivered and no error messages ever were received. It was particularly difficult to troubleshoot this problem because it would only not be delivered sporadically. Sometimes Outlook would deliver mail, but usually it wouldn't. "Patrick Schmid" wrote in message ... Hi Tom, Did the recipient check his or her spam folder or is there any chance the recipient might have spam automatically deleted? Generally when Outlook sends an email and you don't get an error message, the problem is not with the sending Outlook. Can you give us details about your configuration (which Outlook version, email acct type, etc) as well as details on what you do when you encounter the issue? Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Tom" wrote in message : Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? Unfortunately, we have someone that insists on using it which is a headache.
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June 14th 06, 04:26 AM
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Did you try troubleshooting with a different email client and the same
SMTP/POP configuration? If yes, what was the result? Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Tom" wrote in message : The configuration that did not return error messages was as follows: Outlook 2002 2 Profiles One of the profiles was set up previously to use MS exchange server. A second profile was added using SMTP and pop3. Under the mail icon, MS exchange was set up as the default mail service. Mail leaving the second profile using smtp and pop3 would not be delivered and no error messages ever were received. It was particularly difficult to troubleshoot this problem because it would only not be delivered sporadically. Sometimes Outlook would deliver mail, but usually it wouldn't. "Patrick Schmid" wrote in message ... Hi Tom, Did the recipient check his or her spam folder or is there any chance the recipient might have spam automatically deleted? Generally when Outlook sends an email and you don't get an error message, the problem is not with the sending Outlook. Can you give us details about your configuration (which Outlook version, email acct type, etc) as well as details on what you do when you encounter the issue? Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Tom" wrote in message : Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? Unfortunately, we have someone that insists on using it which is a headache.
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June 14th 06, 05:35 AM
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All different email clients work perfectly.
Making the smtp/pop configuration the default under the mail icon in Windows XP apparently solved the problem. Although there are still doubts, will advise. Outlook was sporadically sending mail to its own/senders address. "Patrick Schmid" wrote in message ... Did you try troubleshooting with a different email client and the same SMTP/POP configuration? If yes, what was the result? Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Tom" wrote in message : The configuration that did not return error messages was as follows: Outlook 2002 2 Profiles One of the profiles was set up previously to use MS exchange server. A second profile was added using SMTP and pop3. Under the mail icon, MS exchange was set up as the default mail service. Mail leaving the second profile using smtp and pop3 would not be delivered and no error messages ever were received. It was particularly difficult to troubleshoot this problem because it would only not be delivered sporadically. Sometimes Outlook would deliver mail, but usually it wouldn't. "Patrick Schmid" wrote in message ... Hi Tom, Did the recipient check his or her spam folder or is there any chance the recipient might have spam automatically deleted? Generally when Outlook sends an email and you don't get an error message, the problem is not with the sending Outlook. Can you give us details about your configuration (which Outlook version, email acct type, etc) as well as details on what you do when you encounter the issue? Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Tom" wrote in message : Outlook is sending email messages that never reach the recipient and no error message ever comes back to outlook. This is horrible design. Why does anyone use this Microsoft crap? Unfortunately, we have someone that insists on using it which is a headache.
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