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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
No one ever said you corrupted a PST file, but you most certainly lost data.
The luck was that it was data you happened not to need, such as Rules and Distribution Lists and links to Contacts and links to the Calendar and the links to the address book view. Others may want to preserve that information in their next installation. Exporting and importing the entire PST file to populate a new installation is simply a bad practice that should not be recommended. -- Russ Valentine "Leythos" wrote in message om... In article , says... No. I wouldn't disagree. Exporting and importing work fine when users only want to transfer a _portion_ of the PST file and are simpler than copying and opening the entire PST just to transfer a small portion of the file. In all the years, decade+, that I've been doing this I've only rarely had a reason to do part of a outlook export, it's (except for a dozen) be the entire outlook exported and then imported, into the same version or a newer version, and I've never had a corrupted PST, not once, never, nada, and I can't believe, after thousands of cases, that it's "Luck". -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
In article ,
says... No one ever said you corrupted a PST file, but you most certainly lost data. The luck was that it was data you happened not to need, such as Rules and Distribution Lists and links to Contacts and links to the Calendar and the links to the address book view. Others may want to preserve that information in their next installation. Um, if you're smart enough to export the PST, why not be smart enough to export the rules? All of my distribution lists export and import properly.... Exporting and importing the entire PST file to populate a new installation is simply a bad practice that should not be recommended. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
You appear to have some pressing need to validate and defend your own
experience. That experience is anecdote and should be recognized as such for the benefit of other readers of this thread. The experience of many is far more valid than the experience of one. In this newsgroup over the last 12 years we have confirmed that the following information is not transferred when you export and import a PST file: 1. Custom Forms 2. Custom Views 3. Connections between contacts and activities 4. Received dates on mail 5. Birthdays and anniversaries in calendar 6. Journal connections 7. Distribution Lists 8. Rules 9. Link between Contacts and the address book view, which cannot be re-established until a new profile is created and the data migrated properly. If none of that information is important, then sure you can export and import. Why you would want to remains a mystery, however, since simply copying and opening the PST file is much easier and preserves all of the above information. The cardinal rule when providing advice in these groups is primum non nocere. Your insistence that export and import is the best way to transfer Outlook data to a new installation violates that rule. Readers of this thread should know that so they can make up their own mind on what they want to do. This is a public newsgroup. Your opinion is welcome but needs to be placed into context. -- Russ Valentine "Leythos" wrote in message om... In article , says... No one ever said you corrupted a PST file, but you most certainly lost data. The luck was that it was data you happened not to need, such as Rules and Distribution Lists and links to Contacts and links to the Calendar and the links to the address book view. Others may want to preserve that information in their next installation. Um, if you're smart enough to export the PST, why not be smart enough to export the rules? All of my distribution lists export and import properly.... Exporting and importing the entire PST file to populate a new installation is simply a bad practice that should not be recommended. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
In article ,
says... You appear to have some pressing need to validate and defend your own experience. That experience is anecdote and should be recognized as such for the benefit of other readers of this thread. The experience of many is far more valid than the experience of one. In this newsgroup over the last 12 years we have confirmed that the following information is not transferred when you export and import a PST file: 1. Custom Forms 2. Custom Views Never tried, don't have any myself and don't have any customers with custom forms and views and I'm betting that 90% of people out there don't either. 3. Connections between contacts and activities What activities? 4. Received dates on mail Sorry, I see the date the email was received on every email that is imported from a PST. Don't know how you are missing it - please try it yourself. 5. Birthdays and anniversaries in calendar All calendar items, appointments, such as Birth days, Anniversaries, that I've entered or customers have entered, are imported fine. 6. Journal connections Don't know anyone that uses this, so I can't comment. 7. Distribution Lists Distro lists, as in ones created in Outlook, in your contacts folder, are also imported properly, worked fine since Office XP that I know of. 8. Rules This is misleading as the Rules are not exported in a PST, Outlook includes a function to export rules and they import just fine. 9. Link between Contacts and the address book view, which cannot be re-established until a new profile is created and the data migrated properly. Never seen or tried this, switching VIEW modes in contacts shows all contacts in the different views. If none of that information is important, then sure you can export and import. Why you would want to remains a mystery, however, since simply copying and opening the PST file is much easier and preserves all of the above information. You've listed a lot of things that are incorrect for an export/import between different versions as well as from/to the same version. The cardinal rule when providing advice in these groups is primum non nocere. Your insistence that export and import is the best way to transfer Outlook data to a new installation violates that rule. Readers of this thread should know that so they can make up their own mind on what they want to do. This is a public newsgroup. Your opinion is welcome but needs to be placed into context. I have not insisted that Export/Import is the best anything, I've only disputed what I've seen as incorrect. I don't maintain that either is BEST, but I suggest you try each of the above items you list and come back and let us know you were wrong. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
As I said, your opinion has been duly noted. Your reply certainly explains
why you are confused and more than a little behind the times: 1. In fact, rules do transfer with the PST file. Exporting Rules separately is no longer necessary. 2. Date modified is the relevant field for emails. It is changed by importing. 3. Since you don't know what Activities are, they are links to other Outlook Items for any given Contact Record within an information store. They are broken when you export and import. 4. Appointments are imported, but they lose their connection to the Calendar view when you import a PST file. 5. You appear to have no idea what the Outlook Address Book is. It is not just another of the standard views of the Contacts Folder. It is a separate MAPI view of electronic addresses pulled from the Contacts Folder. Users rely upon it heavily when sending messages. It is irreparably broken when you import a PST file. I've wasted far more time in this reply than I have available. Believe whatever you want. Just don't lead other users astray.Let the end users decide for themselves what they want to do. Thank you for contributing your opinion to the discussion. -- Russ Valentine "Leythos" wrote in message om... In article , says... You appear to have some pressing need to validate and defend your own experience. That experience is anecdote and should be recognized as such for the benefit of other readers of this thread. The experience of many is far more valid than the experience of one. In this newsgroup over the last 12 years we have confirmed that the following information is not transferred when you export and import a PST file: 1. Custom Forms 2. Custom Views Never tried, don't have any myself and don't have any customers with custom forms and views and I'm betting that 90% of people out there don't either. 3. Connections between contacts and activities What activities? 4. Received dates on mail Sorry, I see the date the email was received on every email that is imported from a PST. Don't know how you are missing it - please try it yourself. 5. Birthdays and anniversaries in calendar All calendar items, appointments, such as Birth days, Anniversaries, that I've entered or customers have entered, are imported fine. 6. Journal connections Don't know anyone that uses this, so I can't comment. 7. Distribution Lists Distro lists, as in ones created in Outlook, in your contacts folder, are also imported properly, worked fine since Office XP that I know of. 8. Rules This is misleading as the Rules are not exported in a PST, Outlook includes a function to export rules and they import just fine. 9. Link between Contacts and the address book view, which cannot be re-established until a new profile is created and the data migrated properly. Never seen or tried this, switching VIEW modes in contacts shows all contacts in the different views. If none of that information is important, then sure you can export and import. Why you would want to remains a mystery, however, since simply copying and opening the PST file is much easier and preserves all of the above information. You've listed a lot of things that are incorrect for an export/import between different versions as well as from/to the same version. The cardinal rule when providing advice in these groups is primum non nocere. Your insistence that export and import is the best way to transfer Outlook data to a new installation violates that rule. Readers of this thread should know that so they can make up their own mind on what they want to do. This is a public newsgroup. Your opinion is welcome but needs to be placed into context. I have not insisted that Export/Import is the best anything, I've only disputed what I've seen as incorrect. I don't maintain that either is BEST, but I suggest you try each of the above items you list and come back and let us know you were wrong. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
1. Custom Forms
2. Custom Views Never tried, don't have any myself and don't have any customers with custom forms and views and I'm betting that 90% of people out there don't either. Not sure it's 90% but it is high. 3. Connections between contacts and activities What activities? When you open a contact and look on the Activity page, linked appointments, tasks etc are listed. After import, only mail is listed. 4. Received dates on mail Sorry, I see the date the email was received on every email that is imported from a PST. Don't know how you are missing it - please try it yourself. I've only seen the modified date changed when importing from a pst. Importing from OE screws the date up. 5. Birthdays and anniversaries in calendar All calendar items, appointments, such as Birth days, Anniversaries, that I've entered or customers have entered, are imported fine. When you enter a contact's birthdate, outlook creates an event on your calendar. Import breaks this and the next time you edit the contact it creates a new birthday event. 6. Journal connections Don't know anyone that uses this, so I can't comment. This belongs up with custom views and forms... its not a popular feature. 7. Distribution Lists Distro lists, as in ones created in Outlook, in your contacts folder, are also imported properly, worked fine since Office XP that I know of. I've never had a problem with Contact DLs - PAB and WAB DLs are screwed up. 8. Rules This is misleading as the Rules are not exported in a PST, Outlook includes a function to export rules and they import just fine. Beginning with either 2003 or 2007, rules are stored in the pst. Open a pst in a new profile and you've got your rules. 9. Link between Contacts and the address book view, which cannot be re-established until a new profile is created and the data migrated properly. Never seen or tried this, switching VIEW modes in contacts shows all contacts in the different views. When you hit To while composing mail, imported contacts may not be listed. |
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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
In article ,
says... As I said, your opinion has been duly noted. Your reply certainly explains why you are confused and more than a little behind the times: 1. In fact, rules do transfer with the PST file. Exporting Rules separately is no longer necessary. Then why did you bring it up, and I thought we were covering all versions from 97 forward... 2. Date modified is the relevant field for emails. It is changed by importing. I can't recall looking at anything other than READ status, UNREAD status and the date/time it showed up in my inbox, and that date/time is imported fine in outlook from outlook. 3. Since you don't know what Activities are, they are links to other Outlook Items for any given Contact Record within an information store. They are broken when you export and import. Great to know - how many people, as a %, do you think this impacts? 4. Appointments are imported, but they lose their connection to the Calendar view when you import a PST file. 5. You appear to have no idea what the Outlook Address Book is. It is not just another of the standard views of the Contacts Folder. It is a separate MAPI view of electronic addresses pulled from the Contacts Folder. Users rely upon it heavily when sending messages. It is irreparably broken when you import a PST file. Strange, other than the nicknames auto populate, I've not seen a problem with typing a recipients name and clicking SEND or Check Names and having it work just fine - seems to search the contacts just fine. I've wasted far more time in this reply than I have available. Believe whatever you want. Just don't lead other users astray.Let the end users decide for themselves what they want to do. Thank you for contributing your opinion to the discussion. You didn't need to think this was a snit or something, but the things you've mentioned don't seem to be a major factor for most people, at least not the ones I deal with across 80 companies. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
In article ,
says... 9. Link between Contacts and the address book view, which cannot be re-established until a new profile is created and the data migrated properly. Never seen or tried this, switching VIEW modes in contacts shows all contacts in the different views. When you hit To while composing mail, imported contacts may not be listed. The only time I've seen this is when a customer has multiple contact folders and has not selected "show in address" (or the option by another name). Would it be any different if it was a PST file, opened and then dragged/dropped below the contacts folder? -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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NEED HELP SOON: Win7 Files & Settings Transfer Wiz & Office Outlook PST Mailboxes
The problem Russ and I refer to is when the folder is checked as an address
book but the email addresses aren't "resolved" as electronic addresses so the imported contacts won't show in the address book while new contacts do show. Its not the most common problem with importing, but it does happen enough that we get asked about it a few times each month. -- Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com/ Outlook Tips by email: EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange: Do you sync your mailbox with a smartphone or pda? http://forums.slipstick.com/showthread.php?t=39473 "Leythos" wrote in message om... In article , says... 9. Link between Contacts and the address book view, which cannot be re-established until a new profile is created and the data migrated properly. Never seen or tried this, switching VIEW modes in contacts shows all contacts in the different views. When you hit To while composing mail, imported contacts may not be listed. The only time I've seen this is when a customer has multiple contact folders and has not selected "show in address" (or the option by another name). Would it be any different if it was a PST file, opened and then dragged/dropped below the contacts folder? -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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