It may sound good, but it isn't. Some viruses even insert that text in
their virus laden messages. So you can't trust any message that says it
has been scanned.

Outgoing scanning on a PC is even more worthless than incoming. If a PC
is already infected, the anti-virus software is compromised and can't be
trusted to properly catch any virus.

As PA Bear says, e-mail scanning belongs on the mail server where it can
be properly done and is far more effective.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
A couple of the anti-virus apps even append the msg that an outgoing
msg has been scanned. (It certainly sounds good.)

I guess Microsoft would not issue advice to stop e-mail scanning.

sigh
DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Simply put, email scanning is a marketing gimmick. (Email scanning
on a server is a horse of a different color.)

Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
Since reading here numerous times that e-mail scanning is redundant
and can
even cause problems with OE I turned the scanner off (AVG 8 Free).

Having become sensitised to this issue I noticed that all anti-virus
applications promote the virtues of e-mail scanning.

How can the manufacturers be persuaded to at least insert a proviso
that
e-mail scanning is not always ("never" would be too ambitious)
required?

What about Microsoft's stance, given the huge user base it has for
e-mail
clients?

DAS

Norton 2004 was not as resource-hungry as later versions, I understand. It
seems Symantec has woken up to this and has supposedly done a lot in the
2008 and 2009 versions of AV.

Anyway, on my son's computer we are not using OE.

What do you think of Kaspersky's AV products?

Thanks.
DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Norton and McAfee have never worked well with Outlook Express, and now
Windows Mail in Vista. They may work OK for quite some time, but sooner or
later, one of their updates will screw thing up. Not to mention they are
both resource hogs.

AVG and Avast, both freeware work just fine.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
1) Regarding my AVG antivirus, I have already turned off the e-mail
scanner and I note the advice of how to eliminate the error msg. I think
this suggestion was made before but I haven't yet implemented it as the
AVG error msg doesn't actually bother me.


2) Bruce, why would you not have a Symantec application on your machine?
NAV regularly gets good reviews from computer mags and the 2009 version
even gets plaudits for having been shrunk. I used to have Norton
SystemWorks, which worked well, but they stopped making it.

On the other hand, Norton 360 got great reviews but a search of forums
turned up a host of crticial user comment so I never bought it.

I am still running SystemWorks 2004 on my son's computer. Because it was
a clean install (and because it was 2004 version) it did not demand a
confirmatory licence from Symantec, so it will run for a year.


DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"wildcatgolfer" wrote in
message ...
I'm following you now,,,thanks Bruce

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Like the OP, you /must/ uninstall your Symantec AV program and do a
custom
installation, opting out of e-mail scanning when it arises.
Norton/Symantec
e-mail scanning can not be disabled completely otherwise.

Personally, I would not have anything made by Norton/Symantec on any
machine
of mine.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"wildcatgolfer" wrote in
message
...
I turned off e-mail scanner and when I tried sending again,scanner
started
right back,,,symantec,,,It also continued to run long after file was
sent.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Remove AVG and reinstall in a custom mode. You will see a point when
you
can
opt out of e-mail scanning.

Turning off e-mail scanning is safe. See:

Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC

Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email:
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm

Turn off email scanning in your antivirus softwa
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

And this is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect
scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email
and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you
have
the most recent virus definitions.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
Since reading here numerous times that e-mail scanning is
redundant and
can even cause problems with OE I turned the scanner off (AVG 8
Free).

Having become sensitised to this issue I noticed that all
anti-virus
applications promote the virtues of e-mail scanning.

How can the manufacturers be persuaded to at least insert a
proviso
that
e-mail scanning is not always ("never" would be too ambitious)
required?

What about Microsoft's stance, given the huge user base it has for
e-mail
clients?

DAS
--
To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---

Yes, but problems would be reduced if Microsoft et al issued the advice to
stop e-mail scanning, not independent sources such as the one Peter Foldes
linked to. The vast majority of computer users don't see such sources nor
participate in groups like this one.

DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
It may sound good, but it isn't. Some viruses even insert that text in
their virus laden messages. So you can't trust any message that says it
has been scanned.

Outgoing scanning on a PC is even more worthless than incoming. If a PC
is already infected, the anti-virus software is compromised and can't be
trusted to properly catch any virus.

As PA Bear says, e-mail scanning belongs on the mail server where it can
be properly done and is far more effective.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
A couple of the anti-virus apps even append the msg that an outgoing msg
has been scanned. (It certainly sounds good.)

I guess Microsoft would not issue advice to stop e-mail scanning.

sigh
DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Simply put, email scanning is a marketing gimmick. (Email scanning on a
server is a horse of a different color.)

Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
Since reading here numerous times that e-mail scanning is redundant and
can
even cause problems with OE I turned the scanner off (AVG 8 Free).

Having become sensitised to this issue I noticed that all anti-virus
applications promote the virtues of e-mail scanning.

How can the manufacturers be persuaded to at least insert a proviso
that
e-mail scanning is not always ("never" would be too ambitious)
required?

What about Microsoft's stance, given the huge user base it has for
e-mail
clients?

DAS

The reason there are such links and websites is because MS won't do anything
about it. That has been an issue for several years, so we have no choice
but to post here and update our websites. www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 for
instance.

steve

"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
Yes, but problems would be reduced if Microsoft et al issued the advice to
stop e-mail scanning, not independent sources such as the one Peter Foldes
linked to. The vast majority of computer users don't see such sources nor
participate in groups like this one.

DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
It may sound good, but it isn't. Some viruses even insert that text in
their virus laden messages. So you can't trust any message that says it
has been scanned.

Outgoing scanning on a PC is even more worthless than incoming. If a PC
is already infected, the anti-virus software is compromised and can't be
trusted to properly catch any virus.

As PA Bear says, e-mail scanning belongs on the mail server where it can
be properly done and is far more effective.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
A couple of the anti-virus apps even append the msg that an outgoing msg
has been scanned. (It certainly sounds good.)

I guess Microsoft would not issue advice to stop e-mail scanning.

sigh
DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Simply put, email scanning is a marketing gimmick. (Email scanning on
a server is a horse of a different color.)

Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
Since reading here numerous times that e-mail scanning is redundant
and can
even cause problems with OE I turned the scanner off (AVG 8 Free).

Having become sensitised to this issue I noticed that all anti-virus
applications promote the virtues of e-mail scanning.

How can the manufacturers be persuaded to at least insert a proviso
that
e-mail scanning is not always ("never" would be too ambitious)
required?

What about Microsoft's stance, given the huge user base it has for
e-mail
clients?

DAS

I have never used Kaspersky, but issues with OE are few and far between.
(Can't even remember the last time actually). AVG is good. I use Avast.
Whichever you use, e-mail scanning should not be included in the
installation.

If you are asking about computability with an e-mail client other than OE,
then I can't help at all there.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
Norton 2004 was not as resource-hungry as later versions, I understand.
It seems Symantec has woken up to this and has supposedly done a lot in
the 2008 and 2009 versions of AV.

Anyway, on my son's computer we are not using OE.

What do you think of Kaspersky's AV products?

Thanks.
DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Norton and McAfee have never worked well with Outlook Express, and now
Windows Mail in Vista. They may work OK for quite some time, but sooner
or later, one of their updates will screw thing up. Not to mention they
are both resource hogs.

AVG and Avast, both freeware work just fine.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
1) Regarding my AVG antivirus, I have already turned off the e-mail
scanner and I note the advice of how to eliminate the error msg. I
think this suggestion was made before but I haven't yet implemented it
as the AVG error msg doesn't actually bother me.


2) Bruce, why would you not have a Symantec application on your
machine? NAV regularly gets good reviews from computer mags and the 2009
version even gets plaudits for having been shrunk. I used to have
Norton SystemWorks, which worked well, but they stopped making it.

On the other hand, Norton 360 got great reviews but a search of forums
turned up a host of crticial user comment so I never bought it.

I am still running SystemWorks 2004 on my son's computer. Because it
was a clean install (and because it was 2004 version) it did not demand
a confirmatory licence from Symantec, so it will run for a year.


DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"wildcatgolfer" wrote in
message ...
I'm following you now,,,thanks Bruce

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Like the OP, you /must/ uninstall your Symantec AV program and do a
custom
installation, opting out of e-mail scanning when it arises.
Norton/Symantec
e-mail scanning can not be disabled completely otherwise.

Personally, I would not have anything made by Norton/Symantec on any
machine
of mine.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"wildcatgolfer" wrote in
message
...
I turned off e-mail scanner and when I tried sending again,scanner
started
right back,,,symantec,,,It also continued to run long after file was
sent.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Remove AVG and reinstall in a custom mode. You will see a point
when you
can
opt out of e-mail scanning.

Turning off e-mail scanning is safe. See:

Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC

Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email:
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm

Turn off email scanning in your antivirus softwa
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

And this is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect
scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you have
the most recent virus definitions.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
Since reading here numerous times that e-mail scanning is
redundant and
can even cause problems with OE I turned the scanner off (AVG 8
Free).

Having become sensitised to this issue I noticed that all
anti-virus
applications promote the virtues of e-mail scanning.

How can the manufacturers be persuaded to at least insert a
proviso
that
e-mail scanning is not always ("never" would be too ambitious)
required?

What about Microsoft's stance, given the huge user base it has
for
e-mail
clients?

DAS
--
To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---

No, I was just asking about compatibility with OE.

My son (and wife) use/s web-based mail and do not download. My son'e
computer does have OE installed but he only used it a couple of times to
help him delete messages (& downloading from Yahoo.co.uk seemed to present
no problems).

Thanks very much.
DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
I have never used Kaspersky, but issues with OE are few and far between.
(Can't even remember the last time actually). AVG is good. I use Avast.
Whichever you use, e-mail scanning should not be included in the
installation.

If you are asking about computability with an e-mail client other than OE,
then I can't help at all there.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
Norton 2004 was not as resource-hungry as later versions, I understand.
It seems Symantec has woken up to this and has supposedly done a lot in
the 2008 and 2009 versions of AV.

Anyway, on my son's computer we are not using OE.

What do you think of Kaspersky's AV products?

Thanks.
DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Norton and McAfee have never worked well with Outlook Express, and now
Windows Mail in Vista. They may work OK for quite some time, but sooner
or later, one of their updates will screw thing up. Not to mention they
are both resource hogs.

AVG and Avast, both freeware work just fine.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
1) Regarding my AVG antivirus, I have already turned off the e-mail
scanner and I note the advice of how to eliminate the error msg. I
think this suggestion was made before but I haven't yet implemented it
as the AVG error msg doesn't actually bother me.


2) Bruce, why would you not have a Symantec application on your
machine? NAV regularly gets good reviews from computer mags and the
2009 version even gets plaudits for having been shrunk. I used to have
Norton SystemWorks, which worked well, but they stopped making it.

On the other hand, Norton 360 got great reviews but a search of forums
turned up a host of crticial user comment so I never bought it.

I am still running SystemWorks 2004 on my son's computer. Because it
was a clean install (and because it was 2004 version) it did not demand
a confirmatory licence from Symantec, so it will run for a year.


DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---
"wildcatgolfer" wrote in
message ...
I'm following you now,,,thanks Bruce

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Like the OP, you /must/ uninstall your Symantec AV program and do a
custom
installation, opting out of e-mail scanning when it arises.
Norton/Symantec
e-mail scanning can not be disabled completely otherwise.

Personally, I would not have anything made by Norton/Symantec on any
machine
of mine.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"wildcatgolfer" wrote in
message
...
I turned off e-mail scanner and when I tried sending again,scanner
started
right back,,,symantec,,,It also continued to run long after file
was sent.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Remove AVG and reinstall in a custom mode. You will see a point
when you
can
opt out of e-mail scanning.

Turning off e-mail scanning is safe. See:

Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC

Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email:
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm

Turn off email scanning in your antivirus softwa
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

And this is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you have
the most recent virus definitions.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote in message
...
Since reading here numerous times that e-mail scanning is
redundant and
can even cause problems with OE I turned the scanner off (AVG 8
Free).

Having become sensitised to this issue I noticed that all
anti-virus
applications promote the virtues of e-mail scanning.

How can the manufacturers be persuaded to at least insert a
proviso
that
e-mail scanning is not always ("never" would be too ambitious)
required?

What about Microsoft's stance, given the huge user base it has
for
e-mail
clients?

DAS
--
To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
---

QP
To work around the issue, disable the e-mail scanning software.
/QP
Source: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/951805

KB951805 is as close as MS has ever come to advising users to disable email
scanning.
--
~PA Bear

Steve Cochran wrote:
The reason there are such links and websites is because MS won't do
anything
about it. That has been an issue for several years, so we have no choice
but to post here and update our websites. www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
for
instance.

Yes, but problems would be reduced if Microsoft et al issued the advice
to
stop e-mail scanning, not independent sources such as the one Peter
Foldes
linked to. The vast majority of computer users don't see such sources
nor
participate in groups like this one...

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:50:07 -0000, Dori A Schmetterling wrote:

A couple of the anti-virus apps even append the msg that an outgoing msg has
been scanned. (It certainly sounds good.)

"Sound good" doesn't mean it is good. Anybody can append a "scanned by" tag
to email; even a just a sig. No way to tell whether the message was ever
scanned.

--
This article was scanned by Captain Billy's Whizbang AV
Version 0.000.000.001
No viruses were found!

That's not gonna help anybody he
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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
QP
To work around the issue, disable the e-mail scanning software.
/QP
Source: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/951805

KB951805 is as close as MS has ever come to advising users to disable
email scanning.
--
~PA Bear

Steve Cochran wrote:
The reason there are such links and websites is because MS won't do
anything
about it. That has been an issue for several years, so we have no choice
but to post here and update our websites. www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
for
instance.

Yes, but problems would be reduced if Microsoft et al issued the advice
to
stop e-mail scanning, not independent sources such as the one Peter
Foldes
linked to. The vast majority of computer users don't see such sources
nor
participate in groups like this one...

Didn't say it would. I merely cited it in response to Ms Dori's bizarre
comment to illustrate that MS has referred to disabling email scanning.

Since all further OE development was stopped in June 2006, it's no suprise
that there's no reference to same IN RE Outlook Express.


Steve Cochran wrote:
That's not gonna help anybody he
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Windows Vista Home Basic
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steve

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
QP
To work around the issue, disable the e-mail scanning software.
/QP
Source: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/951805

KB951805 is as close as MS has ever come to advising users to disable
email scanning.
--
~PA Bear

Steve Cochran wrote:
The reason there are such links and websites is because MS won't do
anything
about it. That has been an issue for several years, so we have no
choice
but to post here and update our websites. www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
for
instance.

Yes, but problems would be reduced if Microsoft et al issued the advice
to
stop e-mail scanning, not independent sources such as the one Peter
Foldes
linked to. The vast majority of computer users don't see such sources
nor
participate in groups like this one...