All development on Windows Mail and OE ended in June 2006, Gary. From then
on, the team's sole focus was and remains WLMail.

Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Although I was one of the beta testers, I don't remember the
exact time frame when Vista bugs stopped being fixed, except
for so-called 'show stoppers'.
I do remember that Windows Mail was thrown into the mix rather
late in the beta testing cycle, and very few of its bug reports
were responded to in a meaningful fashion.


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Was Vista close to being ready in June 2006 when all further development
was stopped?

What about the scores of bugs that were posted by private beta
participants
(all of which were reproducible) that were all close by June 2006 and
marked either "Cannot reproduce" or "Will not fix"?

Bah!


Gary VanderMolen wrote:
My take is that Windows Live Mail wasn't ready when Vista was close
to being ready. So Microsoft quickly tossed Windows Mail into the breech
so that they could ship Vista on time.


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Why did WM flunk? Windows Dead Mail as compared to Windows Live Mail.
Good Progression.

I didn't realize Windows Mail development stopped that early.
No wonder then that the WM bugs reported by Vista beta testers
were virtually ignored.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message ...
All development on Windows Mail and OE ended in June 2006, Gary. From then
on, the team's sole focus was and remains WLMail.

Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Although I was one of the beta testers, I don't remember the
exact time frame when Vista bugs stopped being fixed, except
for so-called 'show stoppers'.
I do remember that Windows Mail was thrown into the mix rather
late in the beta testing cycle, and very few of its bug reports
were responded to in a meaningful fashion.


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Was Vista close to being ready in June 2006 when all further development
was stopped?

What about the scores of bugs that were posted by private beta
participants
(all of which were reproducible) that were all close by June 2006 and
marked either "Cannot reproduce" or "Will not fix"?

Bah!


Gary VanderMolen wrote:
My take is that Windows Live Mail wasn't ready when Vista was close
to being ready. So Microsoft quickly tossed Windows Mail into the breech
so that they could ship Vista on time.


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Why did WM flunk? Windows Dead Mail as compared to Windows Live Mail.
Good Progression.

Good.

I hope they are reading and listening to us.

How do Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail differ?

The folks who put Outlook Express together must have been VERY talented
indeed.

DSH

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...

All development on Windows Mail and OE ended in June 2006, Gary. From
then on, the team's sole focus was and remains WLMail.

Gary VanderMolen wrote:

Although I was one of the beta testers, I don't remember the
exact time frame when Vista bugs stopped being fixed, except
for so-called 'show stoppers'.

I do remember that Windows Mail was thrown into the mix rather
late in the beta testing cycle, and very few of its bug reports
were responded to in a meaningful fashion.

I don't think the Good Folks at Microsoft understand just what a close and
intimate relationship users have with their EMAIL and NEWSGROUP programs.

Windows Live Mail developers need to be aware of that and devise a truly
superior program...

Which OUTLOOK EXPRESS certainly IS.

LOOK and FEEL is VERY IMPORTANT.

So are CAPABILITIES, SECURITY and SPEED.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

And no wonder so many longtime OE MVPs chose to drop out of the MVP program.

Gary VanderMolen wrote:
I didn't realize Windows Mail development stopped that early.
No wonder then that the WM bugs reported by Vista beta testers
were virtually ignored.


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
All development on Windows Mail and OE ended in June 2006, Gary. From
then
on, the team's sole focus was and remains WLMail.

Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Although I was one of the beta testers, I don't remember the
exact time frame when Vista bugs stopped being fixed, except
for so-called 'show stoppers'.
I do remember that Windows Mail was thrown into the mix rather
late in the beta testing cycle, and very few of its bug reports
were responded to in a meaningful fashion.


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Was Vista close to being ready in June 2006 when all further
development
was stopped?

What about the scores of bugs that were posted by private beta
participants
(all of which were reproducible) that were all close by June 2006 and
marked either "Cannot reproduce" or "Will not fix"?

Bah!


Gary VanderMolen wrote:
My take is that Windows Live Mail wasn't ready when Vista was close
to being ready. So Microsoft quickly tossed Windows Mail into the
breech
so that they could ship Vista on time.


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Why did WM flunk? Windows Dead Mail as compared to Windows Live
Mail.
Good Progression.

Windows Mail (WM) and Windows Live Mail (WLM) are both based on Outlook
Express (OE), so they have a lot in common.

Some of the differences and similarities.

Some version of OE runs on all versions of Windows since Win95 except
for Vista. The exact versions of OE supported depends on the version of
Windows. WM is Vista only and WLM is XP SP2+ and Vista.

OE uses DBX files for message storage. WM and WLM both use EML/NWS
files.

OE supports Hotmail access with HTTP Web DAV, which will be going away
at some point, perhaps next year. WLM supports Hotmail access with HTTP
Delta Synch. WM does not support any Hotmail HTTP access.

OE uses the Windows Address Book (WAB) which a few other programs also
support, such as some versions of MS Works. WM uses the Vista Contacts.
WLM uses its own Contacts which causes no end of confusion for Vista
users.

OE and WM have better support for Stationery and tweaking HTML than WLM.

WLM is the only program that Microsoft is going forward with.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Good.

I hope they are reading and listening to us.

How do Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail differ?

The folks who put Outlook Express together must have been VERY
talented indeed.

DSH

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...

All development on Windows Mail and OE ended in June 2006, Gary.
From then on, the team's sole focus was and remains WLMail.

Gary VanderMolen wrote:

Although I was one of the beta testers, I don't remember the
exact time frame when Vista bugs stopped being fixed, except
for so-called 'show stoppers'.

I do remember that Windows Mail was thrown into the mix rather
late in the beta testing cycle, and very few of its bug reports
were responded to in a meaningful fashion.

Thank you VERY much.

That was Clear, Concise & Coherent.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...

Windows Mail (WM) and Windows Live Mail (WLM) are both based on Outlook
Express (OE), so they have a lot in common.

Some of the differences and similarities.

Some version of OE runs on all versions of Windows since Win95 except for
Vista. The exact versions of OE supported depends on the version of
Windows. WM is Vista only and WLM is XP SP2+ and Vista.

OE uses DBX files for message storage. WM and WLM both use EML/NWS files.

OE supports Hotmail access with HTTP Web DAV, which will be going away at
some point, perhaps next year. WLM supports Hotmail access with HTTP
Delta Synch. WM does not support any Hotmail HTTP access.

OE uses the Windows Address Book (WAB) which a few other programs also
support, such as some versions of MS Works. WM uses the Vista Contacts.
WLM uses its own Contacts which causes no end of confusion for Vista
users.

OE and WM have better support for Stationery and tweaking HTML than WLM.

WLM is the only program that Microsoft is going forward with.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Good.

I hope they are reading and listening to us.

How do Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail differ?

The folks who put Outlook Express together must have been VERY talented
indeed.

DSH

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...

All development on Windows Mail and OE ended in June 2006, Gary. From
then on, the team's sole focus was and remains WLMail.

Gary VanderMolen wrote:

Although I was one of the beta testers, I don't remember the
exact time frame when Vista bugs stopped being fixed, except
for so-called 'show stoppers'.

I do remember that Windows Mail was thrown into the mix rather
late in the beta testing cycle, and very few of its bug reports
were responded to in a meaningful fashion.

Some additional info on WLM and WM..

Windows Live Mail(WLM) supports WebDAV servers for Hotmail.com and MSn.com accounts if those same accounts are capable of WebDAV
support in OE or OL(without the Outlook Connector).
- DeltaSync(no h) is the preferred protocol for use in WLM.
- migrated OE accounts may retain the WebDAV server setting

Windows Mail(WM) can access Live ID Contacts if Windows Live Messenger is installed. Messenger contacts are stored in Vista's
Users\Windows Logon Id\Contacts\LiveID subfolder. Contacts can be viewed, edited, used for sending mail(WM email composition
To: function, right context menu/action/send mail(uses default email client).
- note: Contacts edited when accessed from WM(uses Explorer) will update the LiveID's Hotmail Contacts when Live Messenger is
logged on.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"Michael Santovec" wrote in message ...
Windows Mail (WM) and Windows Live Mail (WLM) are both based on Outlook Express (OE), so they have a lot in common.

Some of the differences and similarities.

Some version of OE runs on all versions of Windows since Win95 except for Vista. The exact versions of OE supported depends on
the version of Windows. WM is Vista only and WLM is XP SP2+ and Vista.

OE uses DBX files for message storage. WM and WLM both use EML/NWS files.

OE supports Hotmail access with HTTP Web DAV, which will be going away at some point, perhaps next year. WLM supports Hotmail
access with HTTP Delta Synch. WM does not support any Hotmail HTTP access.

OE uses the Windows Address Book (WAB) which a few other programs also support, such as some versions of MS Works. WM uses the
Vista Contacts. WLM uses its own Contacts which causes no end of confusion for Vista users.

OE and WM have better support for Stationery and tweaking HTML than WLM.

WLM is the only program that Microsoft is going forward with.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ...
Good.

I hope they are reading and listening to us.

How do Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail differ?

The folks who put Outlook Express together must have been VERY talented indeed.

DSH

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message ...

All development on Windows Mail and OE ended in June 2006, Gary. From then on, the team's sole focus was and remains WLMail.

Gary VanderMolen wrote:

Although I was one of the beta testers, I don't remember the
exact time frame when Vista bugs stopped being fixed, except
for so-called 'show stoppers'.

I do remember that Windows Mail was thrown into the mix rather
late in the beta testing cycle, and very few of its bug reports
were responded to in a meaningful fashion.