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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express



 
 
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  #1  
Old April 18th 08, 08:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
PA Bear [MS MVP]
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To
set for OE General]

Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
quote
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no
longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via
Outlook Express...
/quote
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry

======================

Please Note:

1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
Express.

2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from
Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.

3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just
Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any
unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows
Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
installation!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Via the web-interface:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...mail .desktop

Via your newsreader:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

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  #2  
Old April 18th 08, 08:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To
set for OE General]


Note: FollowUp-To ignored. Reply posted to all newsgroups since,
according to PA Bear, they should all be related groups in which
continued discussion is on-topic.

Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
quote
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no
longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via
Outlook Express...
/quote
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry


Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after
November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid
accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live Mail
client which has security flaws and defects just so they can push their
Hotmail users to use a client and connect to their HTTP servers that now
support DeltaSync (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync). All so
Microsoft doesn't have to support already established e-mail protocols
and lock their Hotmail users into using Microsoft e-mail clients.

Well, the microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop group should be
getting a lot more busy. Wonder how many will simply choose to dump a
local e-mail client and just go with the Windows Live Hotmail "full"
webmail interface? Might be what Microsoft intends to happen, anyway,
so they can push their Ajax-enabled webmail interface.
  #3  
Old April 18th 08, 12:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
ju.c[_2_]
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe!


ju.c


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
Followup-To
set for OE General]


Note: FollowUp-To ignored. Reply posted to all newsgroups since,
according to PA Bear, they should all be related groups in which
continued discussion is on-topic.

Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
Express
quote
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you
will no
longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail
folders] via
Outlook Express...
/quote
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry


Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after
November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid
accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live
Mail
client which has security flaws and defects just so they can push
their
Hotmail users to use a client and connect to their HTTP servers that
now
support DeltaSync (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync). All so
Microsoft doesn't have to support already established e-mail protocols
and lock their Hotmail users into using Microsoft e-mail clients.

Well, the microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop group should be
getting a lot more busy. Wonder how many will simply choose to dump a
local e-mail client and just go with the Windows Live Hotmail "full"
webmail interface? Might be what Microsoft intends to happen, anyway,
so they can push their Ajax-enabled webmail interface.


  #4  
Old April 18th 08, 01:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Gordon
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

"ju.c" wrote in message
...
I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe!


Well I can get free Hotmail in Thunderbird. So there.

  #5  
Old April 18th 08, 04:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
Windows Live Mail Technologies Support
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre

Hello All,

I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
started on this thread.

Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are
doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes.
Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV.
DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle large
accounts.

This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail
customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients such
as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it
is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue
full access through your browser.

Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new
OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available
through your browser.


--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Supportability Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To
set for OE General]

Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
quote
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no
longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via
Outlook Express...
/quote
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry

======================

Please Note:

1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
Express.

2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from
Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.

3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just
Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any
unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows
Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
installation!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Via the web-interface:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...mail .desktop

Via your newsreader:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


  #6  
Old April 18th 08, 05:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
PA Bear [MS MVP]
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

VanguardLH wrote:
snip
Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
quote
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will
no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders]
via Outlook Express...
/quote
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry


Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after
November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid
accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live Mail
client...


NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their
account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them.
--
~PA Bear

  #7  
Old April 18th 08, 05:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
Liviu
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre

I'll top post, too, to keep the thread at least somewhat readable.

Taking what you say at face value, I'd like to suggest a few simple
changes which would make WLM easier to test-run, and leave less of a
"doing this to force people onto the client: false" impression...

1. Provide a bare no-strings-attached install. Right now, even the
mail-only option downloads some sign-in assistant and live updater.

Current workaround: pretend to install in a sandbox (e.g. VM), then
grab the WLM .MSI file once downloaded, and use that one to install
on the master machine.

2. Ask before importing existing accounts e.g. from OE, not everybody
needs/appreciates that being done automatically with no opt-out choice.

Current workaround for OE: create a dummy identity with no accounts, set
it as default before installing WLM.

3. Don't touch the existing windows update settings, and definitely not
without asking. WLM is (billed as) an email client, not a system nanny.

Current workaround: if auto-update was turned off before installing WLM,
turn it back off afterwards.

4. Don't steal the .EML and .NWS file associations without asking,
especially when WLM is _not_ set as the default client.

Current workaround: restore associations manually after WLM install.

The above notwithstanding, it is true that WLM can be run (for hotmail
access, for example) side-by-side with other email clients.


"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
crosoft.com wrote in
message ...
Hello All,

I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
started on this thread.

Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We
are
doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox
sizes.
Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen
within DAV.
DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently
handle large
accounts.

This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False.
Hotmail
customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other
clients such
as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against
Hotmail, it
is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to
continue
full access through your browser.

Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the
new
OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is
available
through your browser.

--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Supportability Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
Followup-To
set for OE General]

Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
Express
quote
As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you
will no
longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail
folders] via
Outlook Express...
/quote
Source:
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry

======================

Please Note:

1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
Express.

2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client
from
Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.

3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than
just
Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK
any
unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger;
Windows
Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
installation!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Via the web-interface:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...mail .desktop

Via your newsreader:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/












  #8  
Old April 18th 08, 06:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre

"Liviu" wrote in message
...
I'll top post, too, to keep the thread at least somewhat readable.


So you bread a book bottom up, do you?

  #9  
Old April 18th 08, 06:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
Liviu
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre


"Gordon" wrote in message
...
"Liviu" wrote in message
...
I'll top post, too, to keep the thread at least somewhat readable.


So you bread a book bottom up, do you?


No, but if someone started reading it to me backwards already, I might
as well continue in the same direction. If nothing else, makes it easier
to remember where to stop ;-)



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Old April 18th 08, 08:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
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Default ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with OutlookExpress



PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:


NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access
their account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them.



In fact Windows Live Mail allows you to access hotmail account free of
charge even if it is a new account. The idea is MS wants everybody to
use Windows Live Email. OE is a dated technology and it is time to put
it in the museum!!

hth
 




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