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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To
set for OE General] Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express quote As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via Outlook Express... /quote Source: http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry ====================== Please Note: 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook Express. 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail. 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the installation! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop Via the web-interface: http://www.microsoft.com/communities...mail .desktop Via your newsreader: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
[Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To set for OE General] Note: FollowUp-To ignored. Reply posted to all newsgroups since, according to PA Bear, they should all be related groups in which continued discussion is on-topic. Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express quote As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via Outlook Express... /quote Source: http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live Mail client which has security flaws and defects just so they can push their Hotmail users to use a client and connect to their HTTP servers that now support DeltaSync (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync). All so Microsoft doesn't have to support already established e-mail protocols and lock their Hotmail users into using Microsoft e-mail clients. Well, the microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop group should be getting a lot more busy. Wonder how many will simply choose to dump a local e-mail client and just go with the Windows Live Hotmail "full" webmail interface? Might be what Microsoft intends to happen, anyway, so they can push their Ajax-enabled webmail interface. |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe!
ju.c "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To set for OE General] Note: FollowUp-To ignored. Reply posted to all newsgroups since, according to PA Bear, they should all be related groups in which continued discussion is on-topic. Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express quote As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via Outlook Express... /quote Source: http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live client which has security flaws and defects just so they can push their Hotmail users to use a client and connect to their HTTP servers that now support DeltaSync (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync). All so Microsoft doesn't have to support already established e-mail protocols and lock their Hotmail users into using Microsoft e-mail clients. Well, the microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop group should be getting a lot more busy. Wonder how many will simply choose to dump a local e-mail client and just go with the Windows Live Hotmail "full" webmail interface? Might be what Microsoft intends to happen, anyway, so they can push their Ajax-enabled webmail interface. |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
"ju.c" wrote in message
... I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe! Well I can get free Hotmail in Thunderbird. So there. |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
Hello All,
I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have started on this thread. Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes. Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV. DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle large accounts. This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients such as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue full access through your browser. Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available through your browser. -- Scott Hammer Sr. Supportability Program Manager Windows Live Mail Technologies Microsoft Corporation "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To set for OE General] Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express quote As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via Outlook Express... /quote Source: http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry ====================== Please Note: 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook Express. 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail. 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the installation! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop Via the web-interface: http://www.microsoft.com/communities...mail .desktop Via your newsreader: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
VanguardLH wrote:
snip Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express quote As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via Outlook Express... /quote Source: http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live Mail client... NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them. -- ~PA Bear |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
I'll top post, too, to keep the thread at least somewhat readable.
Taking what you say at face value, I'd like to suggest a few simple changes which would make WLM easier to test-run, and leave less of a "doing this to force people onto the client: false" impression... 1. Provide a bare no-strings-attached install. Right now, even the mail-only option downloads some sign-in assistant and live updater. Current workaround: pretend to install in a sandbox (e.g. VM), then grab the WLM .MSI file once downloaded, and use that one to install on the master machine. 2. Ask before importing existing accounts e.g. from OE, not everybody needs/appreciates that being done automatically with no opt-out choice. Current workaround for OE: create a dummy identity with no accounts, set it as default before installing WLM. 3. Don't touch the existing windows update settings, and definitely not without asking. WLM is (billed as) an email client, not a system nanny. Current workaround: if auto-update was turned off before installing WLM, turn it back off afterwards. 4. Don't steal the .EML and .NWS file associations without asking, especially when WLM is _not_ set as the default client. Current workaround: restore associations manually after WLM install. The above notwithstanding, it is true that WLM can be run (for hotmail access, for example) side-by-side with other email clients. "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support" crosoft.com wrote in message ... Hello All, I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have started on this thread. Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes. Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV. DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle large accounts. This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients such as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue full access through your browser. Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available through your browser. -- Scott Hammer Sr. Supportability Program Manager Windows Live Mail Technologies Microsoft Corporation "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To set for OE General] Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express quote As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via Outlook Express... /quote Source: http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry ====================== Please Note: 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook Express. 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail. 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the installation! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop Via the web-interface: http://www.microsoft.com/communities...mail .desktop Via your newsreader: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
"Liviu" wrote in message
... I'll top post, too, to keep the thread at least somewhat readable. So you bread a book bottom up, do you? |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre
"Gordon" wrote in message ... "Liviu" wrote in message ... I'll top post, too, to keep the thread at least somewhat readable. So you bread a book bottom up, do you? No, but if someone started reading it to me backwards already, I might as well continue in the same direction. If nothing else, makes it easier to remember where to stop ;-) |
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ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with OutlookExpress
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them. In fact Windows Live Mail allows you to access hotmail account free of charge even if it is a new account. The idea is MS wants everybody to use Windows Live Email. OE is a dated technology and it is time to put it in the museum!! hth |
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