Okay at 1280 X 960 with a full screen window that goes about 2/3 across but
wrap looks okay, as I usually read however using the preview pane it looks
distinctly odd with the first line break between the words "Those and
characters" then about half a line left vacant.

None of your messages looked odd to me so I think it what you are reading
and how rather than what you are sending that is the problem.

Charlie

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay, I just set mine to 132 which is the maximum and now I just have to
think of something to type that will use up all those characters and wrap
the lines. Bear in mind it wraps on my screen between "Bear and in" at the
window size I'm using but this is quite irrelevant to what is actually
sent. The whole point of this is to see how this looks on my screen
compared to yours. What screen resolution are you using because with 132
characters maximum a very high resolution will probably result in the
problem you are seeing if you use full screen.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Nope, same thing. Something is wrapping the sentences at about 2/3rd the
way across the page. Counting spaces it does come to about 75 or so
letters.
I remain puzzled by this.

jc



"jbclem" wrote in message
...
But there is wordwrapping as I type, and it is correct. The incorrect
version shows up in the message that is sent. That is happening right
now,
and I'm not pressing enter. This reply is in the HTML setting, we'll
see
if
that makes a difference.

jc


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in message
...
That is correct. The OE wordwrapping is not applies until the program
is
sent to Drafts or the Outbox. Do not press Enter until the end of a
paragraph.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
It doesn't seem to happen when I'm typing, but shows up in the
message
after
I've sent it.

Charlie,

Your first message wrapped at the word "those", next line wrapped at "is",
next line at "what", next line at "you". This looks normal to me, wrapping
at the edge of the full screen window.

I'm running 1024x768.

jc

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay, I just set mine to 132 which is the maximum and now I just have to
think of something to type that will use up all those
characters and wrap the lines. Bear in mind it wraps on my screen between
"Bear and in" at the window size I'm using but this is
quite irrelevant to what is actually sent. The whole point of this is to
see how this looks on my screen compared to yours. What
screen resolution are you using because with 132 characters maximum a very
high resolution will probably result in the problem you
are seeing if you use full screen.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Nope, same thing. Something is wrapping the sentences at about 2/3rd
the
way across the page. Counting spaces it does come to about 75 or so
letters.
I remain puzzled by this.

jc



"jbclem" wrote in message
...
But there is wordwrapping as I type, and it is correct. The incorrect
version shows up in the message that is sent. That is happening right
now,
and I'm not pressing enter. This reply is in the HTML setting, we'll
see
if
that makes a difference.

jc


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message
...
That is correct. The OE wordwrapping is not applies until the
program
is
sent to Drafts or the Outbox. Do not press Enter until the end of
a
paragraph.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
It doesn't seem to happen when I'm typing, but shows up in the
message
after
I've sent it.

Charlie,

Now this message, your 2nd, wrapped like mine, about 2/3rds of the way
across, which is the problem I'm having. What I'm seeing is from looking in
someone else's message that has my message copied in it, or by looking in my
SENT folder. Are you saying that when you read my messages they are
wrapping at the edge of the page/window?

jc


"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay at 1280 X 960 with a full screen window that goes about 2/3 across
but
wrap looks okay, as I usually read however using the preview pane it looks
distinctly odd with the first line break between the words "Those and
characters" then about half a line left vacant.

None of your messages looked odd to me so I think it what you are reading
and how rather than what you are sending that is the problem.

Charlie

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay, I just set mine to 132 which is the maximum and now I just have to
think of something to type that will use up all those characters and
wrap
the lines. Bear in mind it wraps on my screen between "Bear and in" at
the
window size I'm using but this is quite irrelevant to what is actually
sent. The whole point of this is to see how this looks on my screen
compared to yours. What screen resolution are you using because with 132
characters maximum a very high resolution will probably result in the
problem you are seeing if you use full screen.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Nope, same thing. Something is wrapping the sentences at about 2/3rd
the
way across the page. Counting spaces it does come to about 75 or so
letters.
I remain puzzled by this.

jc



"jbclem" wrote in message
...
But there is wordwrapping as I type, and it is correct. The incorrect
version shows up in the message that is sent. That is happening right
now,
and I'm not pressing enter. This reply is in the HTML setting, we'll
see
if
that makes a difference.

jc


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message
...
That is correct. The OE wordwrapping is not applies until the
program
is
sent to Drafts or the Outbox. Do not press Enter until the end of
a
paragraph.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
It doesn't seem to happen when I'm typing, but shows up in the
message
after
I've sent it.

No, they look okay in the preview pane but in a full window it is as you
say, 2/3 across.

I assume this is because email was invented when screens were 80 columns
wide for text or something like 800 X 600 resolution. I'm now using 1280 X
960 so in a full screen window it's only covering just over half the width.

In addition OE does not have the formatting properties of a Word Processor,
to get that you need to move up to Outlook or something similar. For example
copying and pasting into OE may appear to preserve the formatting of another
document, but at send time the formatting may be lost.

Remember 800 X 600 was the "Standard" for a long long time because many
people were hanging on to older computers that had originally cost them an
arm and a leg. 14 inch monitors prevailed until technology enabled bigger
flatter screens to develop that could display bigger images. With a TV
picture you can just make the screen bigger and keep the number of physical
"Pixels" on the screen the same, and it won't look too bad. You cannot do
this with computer graphics, you would end up with bigger pictures at 800 X
600 but to go higher the lack of physical points on the glass would make
text go "Chunky".

So I don't think there was much incentive to revise mail clients like OE,
because the recipients might have any combination of hardware and thus it's
a backward compatibility convention.

Email is kinda like a "Telegram", a bit minimalist. To achieve better it is
expected that you will attach a "Document".

This isn't really an OE issue but a system wide convention, especially for
newsnet groups, which is why Outlook comes into play. It is specifically
designed to "Work around" the existing system.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Charlie,

Now this message, your 2nd, wrapped like mine, about 2/3rds of the way
across, which is the problem I'm having. What I'm seeing is from looking
in
someone else's message that has my message copied in it, or by looking in
my
SENT folder. Are you saying that when you read my messages they are
wrapping at the edge of the page/window?

jc


"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay at 1280 X 960 with a full screen window that goes about 2/3 across
but
wrap looks okay, as I usually read however using the preview pane it
looks
distinctly odd with the first line break between the words "Those and
characters" then about half a line left vacant.

None of your messages looked odd to me so I think it what you are reading
and how rather than what you are sending that is the problem.

Charlie

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay, I just set mine to 132 which is the maximum and now I just have
to
think of something to type that will use up all those characters and
wrap
the lines. Bear in mind it wraps on my screen between "Bear and in" at
the
window size I'm using but this is quite irrelevant to what is actually
sent. The whole point of this is to see how this looks on my screen
compared to yours. What screen resolution are you using because with
132
characters maximum a very high resolution will probably result in the
problem you are seeing if you use full screen.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Nope, same thing. Something is wrapping the sentences at about 2/3rd
the
way across the page. Counting spaces it does come to about 75 or so
letters.
I remain puzzled by this.

jc



"jbclem" wrote in message
...
But there is wordwrapping as I type, and it is correct. The
incorrect
version shows up in the message that is sent. That is happening
right
now,
and I'm not pressing enter. This reply is in the HTML setting, we'll
see
if
that makes a difference.

jc


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message
...
That is correct. The OE wordwrapping is not applies until the
program
is
sent to Drafts or the Outbox. Do not press Enter until the end
of
a
paragraph.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
It doesn't seem to happen when I'm typing, but shows up in the
message
after
I've sent it.

Charlie,

Your explanation makes sense, I used 800x600 for a long time and back then I
didn't have this line problem. I can't pinpoint the time when it changed,
but I did move up to 1024x768, which is where I will stay as long as I can.
My 17" LCD works fine at this resolution (not it's highest) and the font
size (I use large fonts) is visible, and I only know of one program I have
that forces me to use the small fonts mode.

Thanks for the help...and I may take a look at Outlook someday.

jc


"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
No, they look okay in the preview pane but in a full window it is as you
say, 2/3 across.

I assume this is because email was invented when screens were 80 columns
wide for text or something like 800 X 600 resolution. I'm now using 1280 X
960 so in a full screen window it's only covering just over half the
width.

In addition OE does not have the formatting properties of a Word
Processor,
to get that you need to move up to Outlook or something similar. For
example
copying and pasting into OE may appear to preserve the formatting of
another
document, but at send time the formatting may be lost.

Remember 800 X 600 was the "Standard" for a long long time because many
people were hanging on to older computers that had originally cost them an
arm and a leg. 14 inch monitors prevailed until technology enabled bigger
flatter screens to develop that could display bigger images. With a TV
picture you can just make the screen bigger and keep the number of
physical
"Pixels" on the screen the same, and it won't look too bad. You cannot do
this with computer graphics, you would end up with bigger pictures at 800
X
600 but to go higher the lack of physical points on the glass would make
text go "Chunky".

So I don't think there was much incentive to revise mail clients like OE,
because the recipients might have any combination of hardware and thus
it's
a backward compatibility convention.

Email is kinda like a "Telegram", a bit minimalist. To achieve better it
is
expected that you will attach a "Document".

This isn't really an OE issue but a system wide convention, especially for
newsnet groups, which is why Outlook comes into play. It is specifically
designed to "Work around" the existing system.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Charlie,

Now this message, your 2nd, wrapped like mine, about 2/3rds of the way
across, which is the problem I'm having. What I'm seeing is from
looking
in
someone else's message that has my message copied in it, or by looking
in
my
SENT folder. Are you saying that when you read my messages they are
wrapping at the edge of the page/window?

jc


"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay at 1280 X 960 with a full screen window that goes about 2/3 across
but
wrap looks okay, as I usually read however using the preview pane it
looks
distinctly odd with the first line break between the words "Those and
characters" then about half a line left vacant.

None of your messages looked odd to me so I think it what you are
reading
and how rather than what you are sending that is the problem.

Charlie

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay, I just set mine to 132 which is the maximum and now I just have
to
think of something to type that will use up all those characters and
wrap
the lines. Bear in mind it wraps on my screen between "Bear and in"
at
the
window size I'm using but this is quite irrelevant to what is
actually
sent. The whole point of this is to see how this looks on my screen
compared to yours. What screen resolution are you using because with
132
characters maximum a very high resolution will probably result in the
problem you are seeing if you use full screen.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Nope, same thing. Something is wrapping the sentences at about
2/3rd
the
way across the page. Counting spaces it does come to about 75 or so
letters.
I remain puzzled by this.

jc



"jbclem" wrote in message
...
But there is wordwrapping as I type, and it is correct. The
incorrect
version shows up in the message that is sent. That is happening
right
now,
and I'm not pressing enter. This reply is in the HTML setting,
we'll
see
if
that makes a difference.

jc


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message
...
That is correct. The OE wordwrapping is not applies until the
program
is
sent to Drafts or the Outbox. Do not press Enter until the end
of
a
paragraph.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
It doesn't seem to happen when I'm typing, but shows up in the
message
after
I've sent it.

Well I use Outlook at work but to be honest I don't really use anything in
it that isn't in OE. Usually if I want to send a decent looking document I
compose it in word and send it as an attachment anyway



"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Charlie,

Your explanation makes sense, I used 800x600 for a long time and back then
I
didn't have this line problem. I can't pinpoint the time when it changed,
but I did move up to 1024x768, which is where I will stay as long as I
can.
My 17" LCD works fine at this resolution (not it's highest) and the font
size (I use large fonts) is visible, and I only know of one program I have
that forces me to use the small fonts mode.

Thanks for the help...and I may take a look at Outlook someday.

jc


"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
No, they look okay in the preview pane but in a full window it is as you
say, 2/3 across.

I assume this is because email was invented when screens were 80 columns
wide for text or something like 800 X 600 resolution. I'm now using 1280
X
960 so in a full screen window it's only covering just over half the
width.

In addition OE does not have the formatting properties of a Word
Processor,
to get that you need to move up to Outlook or something similar. For
example
copying and pasting into OE may appear to preserve the formatting of
another
document, but at send time the formatting may be lost.

Remember 800 X 600 was the "Standard" for a long long time because many
people were hanging on to older computers that had originally cost them
an
arm and a leg. 14 inch monitors prevailed until technology enabled bigger
flatter screens to develop that could display bigger images. With a TV
picture you can just make the screen bigger and keep the number of
physical
"Pixels" on the screen the same, and it won't look too bad. You cannot do
this with computer graphics, you would end up with bigger pictures at 800
X
600 but to go higher the lack of physical points on the glass would make
text go "Chunky".

So I don't think there was much incentive to revise mail clients like OE,
because the recipients might have any combination of hardware and thus
it's
a backward compatibility convention.

Email is kinda like a "Telegram", a bit minimalist. To achieve better it
is
expected that you will attach a "Document".

This isn't really an OE issue but a system wide convention, especially
for
newsnet groups, which is why Outlook comes into play. It is specifically
designed to "Work around" the existing system.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Charlie,

Now this message, your 2nd, wrapped like mine, about 2/3rds of the way
across, which is the problem I'm having. What I'm seeing is from
looking
in
someone else's message that has my message copied in it, or by looking
in
my
SENT folder. Are you saying that when you read my messages they are
wrapping at the edge of the page/window?

jc


"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay at 1280 X 960 with a full screen window that goes about 2/3
across
but
wrap looks okay, as I usually read however using the preview pane it
looks
distinctly odd with the first line break between the words "Those and
characters" then about half a line left vacant.

None of your messages looked odd to me so I think it what you are
reading
and how rather than what you are sending that is the problem.

Charlie

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Okay, I just set mine to 132 which is the maximum and now I just
have
to
think of something to type that will use up all those characters and
wrap
the lines. Bear in mind it wraps on my screen between "Bear and in"
at
the
window size I'm using but this is quite irrelevant to what is
actually
sent. The whole point of this is to see how this looks on my screen
compared to yours. What screen resolution are you using because with
132
characters maximum a very high resolution will probably result in
the
problem you are seeing if you use full screen.

Charlie

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
Nope, same thing. Something is wrapping the sentences at about
2/3rd
the
way across the page. Counting spaces it does come to about 75 or so
letters.
I remain puzzled by this.

jc



"jbclem" wrote in message
...
But there is wordwrapping as I type, and it is correct. The
incorrect
version shows up in the message that is sent. That is happening
right
now,
and I'm not pressing enter. This reply is in the HTML setting,
we'll
see
if
that makes a difference.

jc


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message
...
That is correct. The OE wordwrapping is not applies until the
program
is
sent to Drafts or the Outbox. Do not press Enter until the
end
of
a
paragraph.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

"jbclem" wrote in message
...
It doesn't seem to happen when I'm typing, but shows up in the
message
after
I've sent it.